Are there any esalts liquid samples or ways to try unflavored DIY mix?

[Robbert]

I have mixed DIY with traditional juice at different nicotine strengths.
I want to try esalts based but there’s not many if any esalts liquid in sample sizes.
Can anyone suggest any online sites that have samples or sites I could order esalts with pg or vg,if that’s what’s used and then I can mix my own?
I’ve got old bottles of vg and pg but it’s probably stale or it’s gotten too much oxygen and may not blend or cure,steep correctly.

 

[NatashaTMT]

If I’m not mistaken, I believe @stols001 mixes with nic salts and MIGHT be able to help direct you somewhat in mixing your own or link you. Though that might’ve been someone else. Good luck!

 

[Nick N]

If you can swing $50 shipped Nicotine River has a DIY kit with 150ml 48mg salt base + 2 500ml PG and/or VG, 15 10ml flavors of your choice, bottles and labware. I just got mine last week, it is an unbelievable value. I usually vape unflavored but thought I would experiment with some flavors.

The kit is $49.99 so add a $0.75 30ml chubby gorilla bottle or something to push your order over $50 for the free shipping.

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[classwife]

Moved you to DIY E-Liquid from General E-Liquid Discussion

 

[puffon]

Nude Nicotine sells 15ml samples for a couple $.
Expect a long shipping time tho.

 

[IDJoel]

I have mixed DIY with traditional juice at different nicotine strengths.
I want to try esalts based but there’s not many if any esalts liquid in sample sizes.
Can anyone suggest any online sites that have samples or sites I could order esalts with pg or vg,if that’s what’s used and then I can mix my own?
I’ve got old bottles of vg and pg but it’s probably stale or it’s gotten too much oxygen and may not blend or cure,steep correctly.

Hi @Robbert.

Sorry; but I am confused as to what you are actually wanting to find. You seem to be mixing up/making up terms.

Are you looking for sample sizes of nicotine salts concentrates (aka. "nic salts"); which are diluted down by the end user (you), using PG, VG, and flavor concentrates (optional)? (This is DIYing)

Or,

Are you looking for sample sizes of ready-to-vape e-liquids, that have been formulated with nic salts, instead of the more traditional freebase nicotine? E-liquids are generally understood to be purchased with the nicotine strength (freebase, or nic salts) already at the user's desired strength; and require no further dilution. They can come with, or without, flavoring.

Again, I apologize; I am not trying to be the "word" police. I am only trying to help you get the information you are really wanting.

 

[mackman]

I get Nude Nicotine shipped out in a few days

 

[score69]

Yeah Nude Nicotine will ship samples of both freebase and salts for a small fee. As mentioned, it took a while to ship though. I think it was about 10-14 days before mine even shipped. Maybe shipping times have improved.

I've been buying both salts and freebase from Nic River. A little more expensive, but quick to ship. As mentioned a $50 order will get you free shipping.

Have also bought salts from LNW, also quality products.

Make sure if the vendor offers 'hit' AND 'smooth' salt formulations, you order what you're looking for. They used to only sell 'smooth' salts, that was one of the points of salts was to remove the 'hit'. Many places now sell 'hit' salt formulations that add some throat hit to them. I've never tried the hit versions.

If you're looking to boost nic without the throat hit, definitly order smooth salts. I mix the smooth 50/50 with freebase if I want some throat hit.

 

[NatashaTMT]

Yeah Nude Nicotine will ship samples of both freebase and salts for a small fee. As mentioned, it took a while to ship though. I think it was about 10-14 days before mine even shipped. Maybe shipping times have improved.

I've been buying both salts and freebase from Nic River. A little more expensive, but quick to ship. As mentioned a $50 order will get you free shipping.

Have also bought salts from LNW, also quality products.

Make sure if the vendor offers 'hit' AND 'smooth' salt formulations, you order what you're looking for. They used to only sell 'smooth' salts, that was one of the points of salts was to remove the 'hit'. Many places now sell 'hit' salt formulations that add some throat hit to them. I've never tried the hit versions.

If you're looking to boost nic without the throat hit, definitly order smooth salts. I mix the smooth 50/50 with freebase if I want some throat hit.

Not to hijack this thread but do nic salts come in lower nicotine percentages, such as 3 mg, or only higher?

 

[Izan]

Not to hijack this thread but do nic salts come in lower nicotine percentages, such as 3 mg, or only higher?

Do you mean nic salt base or nic salt retail juice?

 

[NatashaTMT]

Do you mean nic salt base or nic salt retail juice?

Either. Though I imagine you can make the base as low as you want. I just usually see higher nic percentages offered in already mixed juice.

 

[stols001]

Usually the premade nic that is nic salt is targeting high resistance, low wattage options and/or pods. That's where nic salts really shine I guess since their lack of harshness tends to lend itself to high nic vaping. I have not seen commercial juices at low strengths, but I don't pay too much attention, as I DIY nic salts.

I use nic river's nic salts and I like them at 18 mg/ml. With that said, nic salts aren't "super special" or that different than freebase other than they can be vaped very high (but you don't have to) it's just that most folks won't pay a premium to vape 3 mg/ml premade nic salts as most folks don't struggle with harshness at those levels. You could buy 0 nic flavored juices and just add the salts might be one way to approach it. Or, you could see if any of the salt juice makers will go custom, which again will be probably a bit of a premium, if it's even achievable.

You could go full on DIY if you want, but I'd suggest trying a small amount in already flavored juice first to see how you like it. Most vendors will sell a sample of nic salts for the cost of shipping, and etc.

I don't find salts in any way difficult, they just have slightly different properties than freebase. But, you can use them in any setup with the right nicotine level.

Best of luck,

Anna

 

[NatashaTMT]

Usually the premade nic that is nic salt is targeting high resistance, low wattage options and/or pods. That's where nic salts really shine I guess since their lack of harshness tends to lend itself to high nic vaping. I have not seen commercial juices at low strengths, but I don't pay too much attention, as I DIY nic salts.

I use nic river's nic salts and I like them at 18 mg/ml. With that said, nic salts aren't "super special" or that different than freebase other than they can be vaped very high (but you don't have to) it's just that most folks won't pay a premium to vape 3 mg/ml premade nic salts as most folks don't struggle with harshness at those levels. You could buy 0 nic flavored juices and just add the salts might be one way to approach it. Or, you could see if any of the salt juice makers will go custom, which again will be probably a bit of a premium, if it's even achievable.

You could go full on DIY if you want, but I'd suggest trying a small amount in already flavored juice first to see how you like it. Most vendors will sell a sample of nic salts for the cost of shipping, and etc.

I don't find salts in any way difficult, they just have slightly different properties than freebase. But, you can use them in any setup with the right nicotine level.

Best of luck,

Anna

Thanks Anna! Even though I DIY I have curiosity concerning nic salts because I don’t really know much about. I believe it’s a ph balance of nicotine, saline solution and citric acid. Or is it another acid? Because I don’t use higher nic percentages, it doesn’t seem as though I’d really benefit from using.

 

[stols001]

I think the acids you can use include citric, maleic acid, or benzoic acid to convert them I have a lot of nic salts stashed, but I did break down and get the last of my nic in freebase. I figure by then, I may not care, but I do know there are ways of converting them, and folks have had more or less success doing so. I think it's a matter of figuring how much you need depending on your nic strength, there is a large thread about it somewhere (not sure where) and some folks have had success converting it.

I do know nic river doesn't use benzoic acid, and if I were trying to convert, I'd probably start with Citric acid, unless the thread provides me with a compelling reason to do otherwise and etc.

Anna

 

[Opinionated]

I have mixed DIY with traditional juice at different nicotine strengths.
I want to try esalts based but there’s not many if any esalts liquid in sample sizes.
Can anyone suggest any online sites that have samples or sites I could order esalts with pg or vg,if that’s what’s used and then I can mix my own?
I’ve got old bottles of vg and pg but it’s probably stale or it’s gotten too much oxygen and may not blend or cure,steep correctly.

Nicotine Salt Sample Request - Nude Nicotine

 

[IDJoel]

Thanks Anna! Even though I DIY I have curiosity concerning nic salts because I don’t really know much about.

If you really want to understand the basics of nic salts; read through this: Nicotine Salts: Everything You Wanted to Know | Vaping411
It is a bit long, but it explains it in layman's terms pretty well. It is worthy of a read.

I believe it’s a ph balance of nicotine, saline solution and citric acid.

As Meatloaf sings; "Two outa three ain't bad." Yes; nic salts have a lower pH than freebase nic. And, yes; citric acid is one acid that can be used to convert freebase into salts. The only thing that kept you from winning the trifecta is; nic salts have nothing to do with sodium chloride (saline).

The "salts," in the term "nic salts," is used according to the chemistry definition:
"In chemistry, a salt is an ionic compound that can be formed by the neutralization reaction of an acid and a base.[1] Salts are composed of related numbers of cations (positively charged ions) and anions (negative ions) so that the product is electrically neutral (without a net charge). These component ions can be inorganic, such as chloride (Cl−), or organic, such as acetate (CH3CO−2); and can be monatomic, such as fluoride (F−), or polyatomic, such as sulfate (SO2−4)."
(source: Wikipedia, Salt (chemistry)

Because I don’t use higher nic percentages, it doesn’t seem as though I’d really benefit from using.

I tend to share your opinion. Freebase nic meets my needs (at least for the time being), I have lots on hand, so I will use what I have. This doesn't mean I have anything against it; I just can't justify the added expense (compared to freebase) for me.

 

[NatashaTMT]

If you really want to understand the basics of nic salts; read through this: Nicotine Salts: Everything You Wanted to Know | Vaping411
It is a bit long, but it explains it in layman's terms pretty well. It is worthy of a read.

As Meatloaf sings; "Two outa three ain't bad." Yes; nic salts have a lower pH than freebase nic. And, yes; citric acid is one acid that can be used to convert freebase into salts. The only thing that kept you from winning the trifecta is; nic salts have nothing to do with sodium chloride (saline).

The "salts," in the term "nic salts," is used according to the chemistry definition:
"In chemistry, a salt is an ionic compound that can be formed by the neutralization reaction of an acid and a base.[1] Salts are composed of related numbers of cations (positively charged ions) and anions (negative ions) so that the product is electrically neutral (without a net charge). These component ions can be inorganic, such as chloride (Cl−), or organic, such as acetate (CH3CO−2); and can be monatomic, such as fluoride (F−), or polyatomic, such as sulfate (SO2−4)."
(source: Wikipedia, Salt (chemistry)

I tend to share your opinion. Freebase nic meets my needs (at least for the time being), I have lots on hand, so I will use what I have. This doesn't mean I have anything against it; I just can't justify the added expense (compared to freebase) for me.

Looks promising! Book marking this link so I can slow down and read it and retain what I'm reading. Thanks!