Are there any vapes / atomizers that don't use a wick?? (Curious of wicking improvements over joyetech twist..)

[DoctorBuzz]

The joyetech I used only has one wick/filter inside, I think. And after hitting it several times, I feel like I can taste burning wick or something. Not always at high voltage.

Another friend got a different vape that wasn't a joyetech, and I like that it had like 4 or 5 wicks around the inside of the glass. Only got a few "toots", but it seemed like somewhat of a better design, plus the tank didn't fall apart when unscrewing it. Think it even had a bigger battery (1300 mah) at virtually the same size.

Anyway, I'm really not seeing the advantage of the ego twist's variable voltage, really... because the wick doesn't get enough juice, it seems!

Is there any system that doesn't use a wick at all, or is the 5 wick strand the best system (all other things being equal)??

Also looking for a comparison of the itaste vv -VS- vision spinner. I know there's several. But if anybody else has a comparison they want to share, I'm here for you to hear your thoughts!!

 

[Willyumnummm]

The joyetech I used only has one wick/filter inside, I think. And after hitting it several times, I feel like I can taste burning wick or something. Not always at high voltage.

Another friend got a different vape that wasn't a joyetech, and I like that it had like 4 or 5 wicks around the inside of the glass. Only got a few "toots", but it seemed like somewhat of a better design, plus the tank didn't fall apart when unscrewing it. Think it even had a bigger battery (1300 mah) at virtually the same size.

Anyway, I'm really not seeing the advantage of the ego twist's variable voltage, really... because the wick doesn't get enough juice, it seems!

Is there any system that doesn't use a wick at all, or is the 5 wick strand the best system (all other things being equal)??

Also looking for a comparison of the itaste vv -VS- vision spinner. I know there's several. But if anybody else has a comparison they want to share, I'm here for you to hear your thoughts!!

A standard 510 atomizer dosent has very little wick in it. But if you get it bridgeless there is no wick at all, just a coil. And the best part is there cheap. Around 5-8 dollars.


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[CreepyLady]

Hello! Welcome to ECF!

You are in need of a different clearomizer - the issue here is NOT your battery. Look into Evods or anything in the Iclear series (B for bottom coil designs without dangly wicks). Your battery will have a noticeably better performance range than a fixed voltage batter once you find a good topper.

 

[dice57]

Try an Aspire BDC Nautilus or the standard Aspire BDC. The main area to improve ones vape is the atomizer. So many to choose from and many different styles. Sounds like you have a generic cheap plastic disposable cleromizer. All atomizer have a wick of one kind or another, except the bridge drippers but that is still a wick of sorts. Take a look around and find something that looks good to you. Can't go wrong with the Aspire.

 

[wonner]

...Another friend got a different vape that wasn't a joyetech, and I like that it had like 4 or 5 wicks around the inside of the glass. Only got a few "toots", but it seemed like somewhat of a better design, plus the tank didn't fall apart when unscrewing it. Think it even had a bigger battery (1300 mah) at virtually the same size....

As of now, there is no wickless atomizer.

Why not get what your friend has? You like it, you tried it, and it works. You can spend time and money experimenting if you want, but it seems like you already have the answer.

 

[Baditude]

The problem is not your battery, but with the juice attachment called a "clearomizer".

PROPER TERMINOLOGY: IS IT A CARTO, A TANK, OR WHAT? A GUIDE TO JUICE ATTACHMENTS

Clearomizers can be either top coiled (you can easily see the wicks) or bottom coiled (you can't easily see the wicks, but they are present in the coil head). Most of the more modern clearomizers have replacement coil heads, which you can change every 2 - 3 weeks for around $3 each.



Atomizers (drip atomizers) don't have a wick, but this means they can accept only a few drops of e-liquid at a time. Bottom feeder box mods use drip atomizers with a built-in tank which by pressing the tank through a window in the mod feeds the e-liquid backwards into the atomizer.

 

[tj99959]

I can assure you that your JoyeTech Twist has no wicks .......... none at all! It has a battery cell, a chip set, and a switch, but no wicks.

So let's talk about what you are using on your Twist. It doesn't look like you even know what type of heads you are using.
Is it an atomizer, a clearomizer or a cartomizer?

 

[DoctorBuzz]

I can assure you that your JoyeTech Twist has no wicks .......... none at all! It has a battery cell, a chip set, and a switch, but no wicks.

So let's talk about what you are using on your Twist. It doesn't look like you even know what type of heads you are using.
Is it an atomizer, a clearomizer or a cartomizer?

I guess it's a clearomizer, but that's definitely the one that my other friend got and I prefer over the "thing" attached to the ego twist. It's like a clearomizer, but the bottom and top end caps are easily able to separate from the plastic or glass cylinder... causing leakage. I really don't care for the joyetech twist... so looking for other options, like the two batteries I posted above... with the best wicking solution, which would ideally be no wicking at all. But I don't think I want to be adding a couple drops every few minutes.

 

[CreepyLady]

Your comparisons are pretty identical in function to your twist, the Innokin VV V3 is a step up as it has a minutely higher range of variability (3.3-5V) and offers variable wattage. These batteries will not have any exponential difference than what you have.

The burning taste you are getting with whatever type of clearo you have is going to taste the same on any of the 3 and fail in the same way it is now.

Try something like an evod or an iclear 16B and it will give you the most wickless option in a tank (other than a carto-tank - but thats a whole new monster). Switching your tank type will make all the world of difference and it can be done for 5 bucks.

If you like the spinners and VV V3s - definitely get one - they are great batteries and will serve you well - just understand without addressing the tank issue - your experience will not improve with different batteries.

Hope this helps!

 

[SchmidtyKy]

I love my clearos (protanks) because I can fill them with so much juice and it's convenient because I am always on the go. I get really great vapes, but I hate coils! They can be finnicky and burn and be gross. But when they are working, they work GREAT. I've found a happy medium over all and feel better about vaping in general now that I'm several months in. But here is a thread I posted a while back...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/490339-someone-needs-invent.html

 

[djsvapour]

I really don't care for the joyetech twist...

I haven't read the entire thread, but taking issue out on the battery is a shame. It's a great battery, just a shame that Joyetech are the market losers in the clearomiser game.

 

[DoctorBuzz]

Your comparisons are pretty identical in function to your twist, the Innokin VV V3 is a step up as it has a minutely higher range of variability (3.3-5V) and offers variable wattage. These batteries will not have any exponential difference than what you have.

The burning taste you are getting with whatever type of clearo you have is going to taste the same on any of the 3 and fail in the same way it is now.

Try something like an evod or an iclear 16B and it will give you the most wickless option in a tank (other than a carto-tank - but thats a whole new monster). Switching your tank type will make all the world of difference and it can be done for 5 bucks.

If you like the spinners and VV V3s - definitely get one - they are great batteries and will serve you well - just understand without addressing the tank issue - your experience will not improve with different batteries.

Hope this helps!

I haven't read the entire thread, but taking issue out on the battery is a shame. It's a great battery, just a shame that Joyetech are the market losers in the clearomiser game.

You guys are both right. I've now been able to look into this stuff a little bit more. BuddyOne's joyetech twist uses a "cartotank", which is definitely a HUGE disappointment. BuddyTwo has an Oakley Haka vape with Gemini head, which is a clearomizer. Maybe I just really dislike the filters in cartomizers/cartotanks, but the Gemini head is really only half of what makes that vape choice the better one.

The Haka vape also has the larger battery choice (1100 mAh), with a smaller head. And it actually retains the same exact dimensions of BuddyOne's twist w/ 650 mAh battery. The Haka also has USB pass thru. If the Twist had USB pass thru, then the cartotank wouldn't leak nearly as much as it does.

Soo.... my thinking right now is that the iTaste VV with Gemini [or similar] head is the way to go. Another buddy is the one that mentioned the Vision Spinner because it's mentioned so much here, but I'm really not seeing any benefit over the iTaste VV. So why isn't the iTaste VV the most mentioned vape??

The main draw to the iTaste VV is the variable wattage setting. Being able to change heads with various ohms, and having the power output stay consistent between the changing is really amazing.

About the ONLY thing I prefer about the Twist is that it uses a standard 14500 Li-Ion battery (I think), which I already have like 4 of them in various flashlights... if it's even possible to replace the actually battery inside of the battery [housing] if you know what I mean. I'm assuming that the iTaste VV and Haka would not be standard batteries I can buy like 14500s, but I could possibly use a 14500 with a spacer(s) or something???

 

[Bunnykiller]

closest thing Ive found to a "wickless" atomizer is the CE8, technically it has a "wick" (stainless steel mesh) but its not like the standard silica style with lengths of the cord hanging in the juice... havent had any dry hits with it so far, but I havent let it go dry/empty either. Only issue I have with it is it gurgles, but then again most tanks of this type gurgle depending on the juice viscosity.

 

[Baditude]

Soo.... my thinking right now is that the iTaste VV with Gemini [or similar] head is the way to go. Another buddy is the one that mentioned the Vision Spinner because it's mentioned so much here, but I'm really not seeing any benefit over the iTaste VV. So why isn't the iTaste VV the most mentioned vape??

The main draw to the iTaste VV is the variable wattage setting. Being able to change heads with various ohms, and having the power output stay consistent between the changing is really amazing.

The Vision Spinner and the Joytech Twist batteries are probably the most popular and most common batteries when people buy their first starter setups. They have been on the market for a couple of years now, while the iTaste VV has only been on the market for several months.

Variable voltage vs variable wattage always opens up a can of worms during discussions. One is not better than the other, they are essentially two different ways to get to the same point. Using variable voltage on a Spinner/Twist is as simple as using a dimmer switch for a ceiling light, so its not like there is anything complicated with turning a dial at the end of the battery.

The iTaste VV introduces some advanced features over the Twist/Spinners. It has a LED screen and two buttons to control the settings, which for some beginners may present more confusion than just twisting a dial. It has an ohm meter, which most beginners have no clue knowing why the resistance of their juice attachment is important. It offers a pass-through option (use while attached to the charging cord), with can be an advantage to some people. It does have a limitation of 800 mAh battery life, which may not be enough to last out the day for many people; while a 1300 mAh Spinner should last anyone a full day between charges.

About the ONLY thing I prefer about the Twist is that it uses a standard 14500 Li-Ion battery (I think), which I already have like 4 of them in various flashlights... if it's even possible to replace the actually battery inside of the battery [housing] if you know what I mean. I'm assuming that the iTaste VV and Haka would not be standard batteries I can buy like 14500s, but I could possibly use a 14500 with a spacer(s) or something???

The Joytech Twist, Vision Spinner, and the iTaste VV3 all use internal, non-replaceable, rechargeable batteries which use a USB type charging cord. You can not use replaceable batteries with any of these three.

USB charger

 

[DoctorBuzz]

The Vision Spinner and the Joytech Twist batteries are probably the most popular and most common batteries when people buy their first starter setups. They have been on the market for a couple of years now, while the iTaste VV has only been on the market for several months.

Makes sense.

Variable voltage vs variable wattage always opens up a can of worms during discussions. One is not better than the other, they are essentially two different ways to get to the same point. Using variable voltage on a Spinner/Twist is as simple as using a dimmer switch for a ceiling light, so its not like there is anything complicated with turning a dial at the end of the battery.

My understanding from GrimmGreen's video (after the 8:00 mark) is that in order for the power / wattage setting to stay the same across various heads, it will read the impedance and adjust the voltage accordingly. A variable voltage will not be able to have a consistent output. Altho, the same output from a single and dual coil head might not really be something you want. Either way... I would much prefer VW over VV.

The Joytech Twist, Vision Spinner, and the iTaste VV3 all use internal, non-replaceable, rechargeable batteries which use a USB type charging cord. You can not use replaceable batteries with any of these three.

That's not entirely true. The Joyetech Twist's battery is most definitely replaceable. See here --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHEmzVZplQk ... Perhaps not "user-replaceable". But it's certainly replaceable. Not sure what type of battery it is, but it's definitely replaceable.

My whole beef is that a device like this might need a new battery in 1 year for even a light smoker. Would hate to have to pay $25 every year or so, when I could just get something that accepts traditional 14500 li-ion batteries, which I can buy two for $5. So... if any of these "non-replaceable" battery packs came with a standard battery within that could be replaced on a yearly basis, that would be pretty sweet.

And I wouldn't call the joyetech's charger a "usb type" cord, simply because the end that actually connects to the twist has absolutely nothing to do with anything usb. But yes... that's why I prefer the itaste VV/VW V3.0 (or whatever you want to call it), because it actually uses a REAL "usb type" cord to charge WHILE you're vaping with a dead battery. But being able to replace the battery on a yearly basis would definitely be something I'd like in a portable vape...

 

[CreepyLady]

Makes sense.

My understanding from GrimmGreen's video (after the 8:00 mark) is that in order for the power / wattage setting to stay the same across various heads, it will read the impedance and adjust the voltage accordingly. A variable voltage will not be able to have a consistent output. Altho, the same output from a single and dual coil head might not really be something you want. Either way... I would much prefer VW over VV.

Sort of true. The wattage mean if you switch, say, from 1.8 Ohms resistance to a new topper at 2.4 the power will be the same - it auto adjusts volts to accommodate the higher resistance, that being said, it may not be the right power for the topper and juice - its only the SAME power as it pushed for the previous topper. I use VV and VW - its literally 2 roads to the same place and just as fiddly either way.

That's not entirely true. The Joyetech Twist's battery is most definitely replaceable. See here --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHEmzVZplQk ... Perhaps not "user-replaceable". But it's certainly replaceable. Not sure what type of battery it is, but it's definitely replaceable.

This video is how to open the top of an eGo style battery in order to re solder the wire to the firing pin. This is not just a basic battery inside a tube that can be replaced. These are not instructions on how to put a battery inside.

My whole beef is that a device like this might need a new battery in 1 year for even a light smoker. Would hate to have to pay $25 every year or so, when I could just get something that accepts traditional 14500 li-ion batteries, which I can buy two for $5. So... if any of these "non-replaceable" battery packs came with a standard battery within that could be replaced on a yearly basis, that would be pretty sweet.

If you are interested in a mod with replaceable batteries - there are plenty available. However, these are not the same basic li-ion batteries you use in your flashlights. You need to use high drain li-ion batteries, aw imr preferably. Baditude is the Guru of all things battery - read his blogs. They break down the amperage required to power vaping devices safely. These mods can be more cost effective in the long run - definitely good investment to get a nice battery tube.

And I wouldn't call the joyetech's charger a "usb type" cord, simply because the end that actually connects to the twist has absolutely nothing to do with anything usb. But yes... that's why I prefer the itaste VV/VW V3.0 (or whatever you want to call it), because it actually uses a REAL "usb type" cord to charge WHILE you're vaping with a dead battery. But being able to replace the battery on a yearly basis would definitely be something I'd like in a portable vape...

Joyetech has a few chargers. The one you are talking about that screws into the end of your battery where the tank attaches has a USB at the other end. It is a USB type cord, but not a pass through. Joyethech does make ego batteries and cords for passthrough use identical to the passthrough cord for the VV V3.

You may be more inclined to look at battery tube mods - it sounds like they may be more what you are looking for in a device

 

[catalinaflyer]

My whole beef is that a device like this might need a new battery in 1 year for even a light smoker. Would hate to have to pay $25 every year or so, when I could just get something that accepts traditional 14500 li-ion batteries, which I can buy two for $5. So... if any of these "non-replaceable" battery packs came with a standard battery within that could be replaced on a yearly basis, that would be pretty sweet.

I guess it's all relative based on a persons perspective. Most everyone here had no problem with disposable analogues and even at a 1 pack a week based on an average of $6.00 per pack a years worth of those disposables would run somewhere near $300.00. Now a PAD habit like the average person is $2190 a year. Or in my case 1.5 PAD is $3285 a year. If I were to have to replace a Twist every year at a cost of $25 then I would still be ahead $3260. Of course like many others here I'm not ahead on the money part because I spend every penny ++ on new shiny vape gear but the amount I'm ahead in health cannot be measured by dollars.

 

[CreepyLady]

Here is an idea on the internals of a twist and why you cant just toss a battery in:

 

[DoctorBuzz]

Here is an idea on the internals of a twist and why you cant just toss a battery in:
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Ahh... I see. In this case, any portable "Ego-esque" vape that I buy is going to have greater than 1000 mah. Because after a year or two, it will still have a realistic 500 mah capacity. Kinda makes up my mind a good bit for my first portable vape before buying one that telescopes and accepts different standard Li-Ion batts, or a "battery tube mod" as you referred to them as.

But VW is definitely a step above VV. VW is not quite as simple as a dimming light switch.