Indeed a "hassle"
Hoping their future line of products aren't so hassle full, for their sake.
Hoping their future line of products aren't so hassle full, for their sake.
Artery vapor Nugget box mod/50W TC/SMALLER than the COV Mini Volt!
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Well, I received another email, and still awaiting a reply. But I'm assuming they might send me a cord? If so and I get the update to work, I'd be kind enough to mail it to the next user who needs the update.
Also has me wondering, as I asked and wait for the reply.
I have the "limited edition" stainless steel version, from the comment, I'm to assume the chipset is different and may not allow any updates? I hope not
Also has me wondering, as I asked and wait for the reply.
I have the "limited edition" stainless steel version, from the comment, I'm to assume the chipset is different and may not allow any updates? I hope not
I don't have one, but if anyone's interested
You can get ahold of support on Skype from 8ish pm - 3am central u.s. time
arterysales03 - I beleive his name is bruce
You can get ahold of support on Skype from 8ish pm - 3am central u.s. time
arterysales03 - I beleive his name is bruce
I think they are JUST sending cabled to vendors :/ probably have to send your nugget in for an update, from the sounds of it.
I got a reply back from last night.
I hate being wrong
Welp, so much for firmware upgradeable as a part of this mods selling point. Still like my nuggets but, ya, they need to rethink some of their customer relations.. afterall there is competition in this size now, meh, tc in this mod at any lvl was a bonus for what it is. 1 out of 3 having SS is a win for me.
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Still never got the answer of weather or not the chipset was different for the SS model
The hastle of returning the mod to fix issues, instead of being to update it myself, make me rethink my original thoughts on the product.... "gimmick"
The selling point: SS UPDATE coming.
And yet I can't update it, now that it is out.
The hastle of returning the mod to fix issues, instead of being to update it myself, make me rethink my original thoughts on the product.... "gimmick"
The selling point: SS UPDATE coming.
And yet I can't update it, now that it is out.
Glad the Eleaf Pico came out when it did, saving me some huge aggravation! Sorry to hear of these hassles.
Arteryvapor.com posted a news item today that includes instructions for
upgrading the FW. They're the same instructions that are included in
the downloaded zip file. They do mention the cable, and say to contact
arteryusa.com or wholesalevapingsupply.com. Neither site has added any
mention of a Nugget upgrade cable. For those who care, the
wholesalevapingsupply site does show the next Artery product; looks
similar to an NEBOX.
The issue becomes apparent before you even attempt to install the
driver for the Prolific 2303 device, which up until now I have assumed
must be inside of the Nugget. Simply by connecting the unit to a
computer using a USB data/charge cable, there are USB enumeration
errors. The OS isn't able to tell what kind of USB device has been
plugged in, let alone try to load a driver for it. This can be seen in
both Windows and OS X.
Side note: Interestingly, the behavior is slightly different based on
FW rev. With FW 100201603161 the described behavior begins the moment
the unit is plugged in. With FW 100201603263 upon plugging in, nothing
happens aside from it starts charging. The described behavior takes
place when you do the FW update reboot.
Side side note: I found that if the unit is off you can trigger the
FW update reboot by pressing all 3 buttons at once.
My conclusion is that the micro USB port on the Nugget is only a true
USB port in terms of the power pins; the rest of the pins are in fact
MUXed serial cable pins. The cable we are waiting for is a USB cable
with an integrated serial device.
Something like this:
Support Win 8,Android,Micro Usb Serial Cable,Ft232/cp2102/pl2303 Optional - Buy Micro Usb Serial Cable,Usb Serial,Ft232 Cp2102 Pl2303 Product on Alibaba.com
That's a USB cable with an integrated 2303.
Check out the picture that has the Android guy in it. In the diagram,
the tablet is your Nugget, the PC is your PC, and everything else
is the cable.
This would explain why the instructions include the following steps:
4/11 Install USB to 232 drive
> I take this to mean connect (only) the cable to the PC and
install the driver.
6/11 Connect Nugget mod through USB
> I take this to mean connect the Nugget to the cable that is
already connected to the PC.
So... who's got one?
upgrading the FW. They're the same instructions that are included in
the downloaded zip file. They do mention the cable, and say to contact
arteryusa.com or wholesalevapingsupply.com. Neither site has added any
mention of a Nugget upgrade cable. For those who care, the
wholesalevapingsupply site does show the next Artery product; looks
similar to an NEBOX.
The issue becomes apparent before you even attempt to install the
driver for the Prolific 2303 device, which up until now I have assumed
must be inside of the Nugget. Simply by connecting the unit to a
computer using a USB data/charge cable, there are USB enumeration
errors. The OS isn't able to tell what kind of USB device has been
plugged in, let alone try to load a driver for it. This can be seen in
both Windows and OS X.
Side note: Interestingly, the behavior is slightly different based on
FW rev. With FW 100201603161 the described behavior begins the moment
the unit is plugged in. With FW 100201603263 upon plugging in, nothing
happens aside from it starts charging. The described behavior takes
place when you do the FW update reboot.
Side side note: I found that if the unit is off you can trigger the
FW update reboot by pressing all 3 buttons at once.
My conclusion is that the micro USB port on the Nugget is only a true
USB port in terms of the power pins; the rest of the pins are in fact
MUXed serial cable pins. The cable we are waiting for is a USB cable
with an integrated serial device.
Something like this:
Support Win 8,Android,Micro Usb Serial Cable,Ft232/cp2102/pl2303 Optional - Buy Micro Usb Serial Cable,Usb Serial,Ft232 Cp2102 Pl2303 Product on Alibaba.com
That's a USB cable with an integrated 2303.
Check out the picture that has the Android guy in it. In the diagram,
the tablet is your Nugget, the PC is your PC, and everything else
is the cable.
This would explain why the instructions include the following steps:
4/11 Install USB to 232 drive
> I take this to mean connect (only) the cable to the PC and
install the driver.
6/11 Connect Nugget mod through USB
> I take this to mean connect the Nugget to the cable that is
already connected to the PC.
So... who's got one?
Thanks for all the digging. The staff only mentions "special cable".
Definatly would explain why it would not install/read the nugget. I figured it was a pin layout issue but tried 2 different cords and still no go, so I was stumped.
Great find
Definatly would explain why it would not install/read the nugget. I figured it was a pin layout issue but tried 2 different cords and still no go, so I was stumped.
Great find
Picked up the nugget and the moonshot while I was there. Spun up 3 sets of titanium coils thus far and still have the same issue. Vaping it in Ti/temp mode results in the device kicking you into basic wattage mode. The third time I was able to turn down the temp all the way and fire the coils without issue. So I put garbage in it and wicked it just to see if it would fire for more than 2 seconds set up. Nope.
In between my failures to get it to work with Ti, I threw basic twisted 28ga kanthal coils in it and it worked just fine. 50W sucks the thing dry even at .5ohm. You can watch the battery meter fluctuate under load and if it dips into low it will cut off.
I'm going to charge it up again and see wtf is going on with it. It is unreal small and cool. And when it's up and going hits almost like my SMPL mech on a fresh battery. (.280 on dual nichrome cored Clapton's in a mini goblin).
ETA: mine came with SS mode and a cable.
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so is the nugget a failure for anything other than Ni temp control??? i'm starting to wonder if i should stop thinking about this mod. my new vaporshark 200 has quenched my mod thirst for now but my brain keeps wandering back to this thread.
so Ti mode is a no go? what about SS mode? garbage as well @Asmo6?
so Ti mode is a no go? what about SS mode? garbage as well @Asmo6?
Congrats on the VS DNA200, love mine, but for travel my new Eleaf Pico's have overtaken my VTC Mini's. The knowledge you get with a DNA200, can come in handy with the TCR abilities of the Pico.
If these nuggets had been available at a reasonable price awhile back I would have owned one or more. In fact I had ordered 2 Goblin Mini tanks while waiting for the nugget, one was in silver to match it.
I'm fresh off a full charge. I did 10 wraps on a 3mm bit to fill the huuuge space in the moonshot x2. Resistance fluctuates between .45-.61 under load. 2 seconds in it cuts out and drops back into wattage mode. I give up. No idea what is up with this thing.
Granted this is my first venture into temp control, and Ti. I'm not incapable of watching a YT video and I've been winding coils of varying type for 2 years. All my other stuff bangs like monkeys in the rain forest. The moonshot is not my favorite thing to build on. But, I managed. Anything I could be doing wrong?
ETA: I don't have SS wire. Again, I don't have any other temp control stuff. So I snagged a roll of Ti wire with the nugget since it did it.
ETA2: I got it working. Sort of. It still kicked me out twice since I went back in and cranked the Allen screws down hard enough I thought the wire would break. It may be the moonshot. I had zero issues with kanthal in it. But maybe it was me. Or the Atty not being ideal for this, or again, me. I'm thinking it's unable to calculate resistance under load and throws you out. Everything was tight enough I could stuff plenty of wick through the springy coils without anything moving. And they didn't move. So. Not sure. I'm not breaking my goblin down to test it because I love it - exactly how it is.
It may be a little sensitive throwing a fault with resistance. But I did manage to get it to work. At least about 5 rips on it at 500° so far.
Granted this is my first venture into temp control, and Ti. I'm not incapable of watching a YT video and I've been winding coils of varying type for 2 years. All my other stuff bangs like monkeys in the rain forest. The moonshot is not my favorite thing to build on. But, I managed. Anything I could be doing wrong?
ETA: I don't have SS wire. Again, I don't have any other temp control stuff. So I snagged a roll of Ti wire with the nugget since it did it.
ETA2: I got it working. Sort of. It still kicked me out twice since I went back in and cranked the Allen screws down hard enough I thought the wire would break. It may be the moonshot. I had zero issues with kanthal in it. But maybe it was me. Or the Atty not being ideal for this, or again, me. I'm thinking it's unable to calculate resistance under load and throws you out. Everything was tight enough I could stuff plenty of wick through the springy coils without anything moving. And they didn't move. So. Not sure. I'm not breaking my goblin down to test it because I love it - exactly how it is.
It may be a little sensitive throwing a fault with resistance. But I did manage to get it to work. At least about 5 rips on it at 500° so far.
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i'm sure you already know this, make sure your wire connections are secure and make sure your atty is at room temp before placing on any TC mod. connectivity and an accurate base resistance are crucial for TC. make sure the 510 socket and the 510 threads on the atty are clean as well.
at what wattage is the mod throwing you into regular wattage mode? you're definitely in Ti mode with the nugget? just out of curiosity, will it stay in TC if you fire the Ti coil in SS mode or even Ni mode? maybe Artey Vapor has the wrong TCR in the firmware for titanium.
if you get your Ti coil to run in SS mode you'll have to bump the temp way up to get a decent vape and the complete opposite (temp way down) for Ni mode.
just be careful running different wires in different wire modes. don't let your Ti coil ever glow red hot. bad oxides and stuff.
The nugget is brand new. 510 clean. Connections were tight. They are VERY tight now. Well past any reasonable amount that is required, ever, on any atty. It kicked me out 3 more times throughout the night. But then it would work shortly after.
The menu system took all of 60 seconds to figure out. I think I flipped through the manual once, but only after I pushed buttons and went through all of it. Ti mode is under work mode setting. Or the first menu. So, -+, Fire, +, fire, -, exit. The first temp setting is nickel. Then Ti. It defaults to PM 30W. The screen blinks off for a split second then you're back in PM. You can fire it again like that without the SUUUUUPER ANNOYING atomizer check it asks you every time it wakes back up. So it must see a fault in measured resistance and then dump you out of temp control mode. (As far as I can guess). Whether real or imagined.
At what temperature do oxides in Ti form? I've fired it from 300-500° now. Ti oxide is white isn't it? Can I not see it if I created it? (Or at least a lot of it?)
Honestly temp control even when working, is, not as good as me just winding up nichrome Clapton's and banging away with those, so it's relatively unimportant. (To me) And with normal wires the thing chugs along fine. Like if over size relatively sloppy coils get you wet, Ti is party town.
I'll keep fooling with it.
ETA: SW ver. 100201603263
The menu system took all of 60 seconds to figure out. I think I flipped through the manual once, but only after I pushed buttons and went through all of it. Ti mode is under work mode setting. Or the first menu. So, -+, Fire, +, fire, -, exit. The first temp setting is nickel. Then Ti. It defaults to PM 30W. The screen blinks off for a split second then you're back in PM. You can fire it again like that without the SUUUUUPER ANNOYING atomizer check it asks you every time it wakes back up. So it must see a fault in measured resistance and then dump you out of temp control mode. (As far as I can guess). Whether real or imagined.
At what temperature do oxides in Ti form? I've fired it from 300-500° now. Ti oxide is white isn't it? Can I not see it if I created it? (Or at least a lot of it?)
Honestly temp control even when working, is, not as good as me just winding up nichrome Clapton's and banging away with those, so it's relatively unimportant. (To me) And with normal wires the thing chugs along fine. Like if over size relatively sloppy coils get you wet, Ti is party town.
I'll keep fooling with it.
ETA: SW ver. 100201603263
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Ti oxide forms around 1250 °F or so i read (glowing red/white hot) . can you get it stay in TC when using another wire mode? such as Ni or SS? or will it kick you out of those as well? you sure you have real Ti wire?
This is what I bought. Along with the Nugget, moonshot, and some other stuff.
Titanium Ti Resistance Wire 30ft - 101 Vape
It doesn't look like kanthal, feel like kathanl, or act like kanthal when you wind it. And I lit some of it up when doing the other coils just to see. Incrementally. Color change does not match kanthal or nichrome IME. This stuff gets really blue. Pulse pulse pulse. Then light blue, pulse pulse hold, then white.
Obviously pull that out. Wash. Rewind. I just wanted to see.
So if that's not what I am supposed to be using, Rah Roh Shaggy!
I've been using it today and it only kicked me out 2 times. I have it sitting on my desk so I can plug it in when I'm not using it and have about 4ml through it. I dropped the peak W limit to 40W and set the temp around 400-450. It's calmer. And has worked more consistently. Unless it's any benefit to anyone here I am probably going to yank the Ti coils tonight and spin really big claptons so the moonshot can spend time on my SMPL mod or the nugget as I see fit. Having Ti in it screws me because it can't go on an 18650 mod where I can just hammer on it.
I have not tried it in any other temp control modes since it was somewhat reliable today with the Ti setting.
Titanium Ti Resistance Wire 30ft - 101 Vape
It doesn't look like kanthal, feel like kathanl, or act like kanthal when you wind it. And I lit some of it up when doing the other coils just to see. Incrementally. Color change does not match kanthal or nichrome IME. This stuff gets really blue. Pulse pulse pulse. Then light blue, pulse pulse hold, then white.
Obviously pull that out. Wash. Rewind. I just wanted to see.
So if that's not what I am supposed to be using, Rah Roh Shaggy!
I've been using it today and it only kicked me out 2 times. I have it sitting on my desk so I can plug it in when I'm not using it and have about 4ml through it. I dropped the peak W limit to 40W and set the temp around 400-450. It's calmer. And has worked more consistently. Unless it's any benefit to anyone here I am probably going to yank the Ti coils tonight and spin really big claptons so the moonshot can spend time on my SMPL mod or the nugget as I see fit. Having Ti in it screws me because it can't go on an 18650 mod where I can just hammer on it.
I have not tried it in any other temp control modes since it was somewhat reliable today with the Ti setting.
Just got a black one. Ridiculously small. I've only run it in power mode. For a while, I was amazed at how the battery was hanging in. Then it went from about half-battery to empty in about 3 puffs.
I really like it. But the expected battery life makes this no more than a light-use out and about mod.
I really like it. But the expected battery life makes this no more than a light-use out and about mod.
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