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Governments should ban the sale of e-cigarettes to minors, the World Health Organization said Tuesday, warning that they pose a "serious threat" to foetuses and young people.
The UN health body also recommended that the cigarette-shaped electrical devices be banned from public indoor spaces "until exhaled vapour is proven to be not harmful to bystanders".
"The existing evidence shows that (e-cigarette) aerosol is not 'merely vapour' as is often claimed in the marketing of these products," WHO said.
The devices, which have grown in popularity in particular with youths, function by heating flavoured nicotine liquid into a vapour that is inhaled -- much like traditional cigarettes, but without the smoke.
They also often widely come without the regulation that has increasingly dogged the traditional cigarette industry, with some countries allowing advertising and the sale of the devices to minors.
So far, users have also widely been permitted to freely "vape" in places where traditional smoking is strictly off limits.
WHO's recommendations came in a report published ahead of a meeting in Moscow in October of parties to an international convention on tobacco control, where new global guidelines on e-cigarettes will likely be agreed.
- Sales rising sharply -
The sales of e-cigarettes have risen sharply since they were first introduced in 2005.
US health authorities warned Monday that the number of US youths who have tried e-cigarettes tripled from 2011 to 2013, with more than a quarter of a million young people who had never smoked giving the devices a shot last year.
Manufacturers maintain e-cigarettes are safe and claim they can help smokers quit traditional cigarettes.
But while the WHO acknowledged that the devices were "likely to be less toxic for the smoker than conventional cigarettes", it stressed the lack of research backing up the manufacturers' claims.
Until manufacturers provide "convincing supporting scientific evidence and obtain regulatory approval," they should be banned from making any health claims, including claims that e-cigarettes can be used to help buck smoking, it said.
It also warned of the "renormalisation effect" e-cigarettes can have, meaning they can making smoking itself more attractive and "perpetuate the smoking epidemic".
In the meantime, the UN body stressed that there was enough evidence "to caution children and adolescents, pregnant women, and women of reproductive age" about e-cigarette use, due to the "potential for foetal and adolescent nicotine exposure (having) long-term consequences for brain development".
Taking that into consideration, WHO said advertising should generally not be permitted of e-cigarettes, since that could make them attractive to children.
 

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"they should be banned from making any health claims, including claims that e-cigarettes can be used to help buck smoking, it said."
Blah,blah, blah!!!

It DEFINATELY helped me quit smoking. I smoked for 40 years and could never quit after countless attempts. Got a REO in 2012 and never lit up again!!

"US health authorities warned Monday that the number of US youths who have tried e-cigarettes tripled from 2011 to 2013, with more than a quarter of a million young people who had never smoked giving the devices a shot last year."

I wonder how many of them would have tried cigarettes instead if ecigs weren't available??
 

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Sure, sales to minors should be prevented, but the rest of the article reeks of
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"they should be banned from making any health claims, including claims that e-cigarettes can be used to help buck smoking, it said."
Blah,blah, blah!!!

It DEFINATELY helped me quit smoking. I smoked for 40 years and could never quit after countless attempts. Got a REO in 2012 and never lit up again!!

"US health authorities warned Monday that the number of US youths who have tried e-cigarettes tripled from 2011 to 2013, with more than a quarter of a million young people who had never smoked giving the devices a shot last year."

I wonder how many of them would have tried cigarettes instead if ecigs weren't available??

Take the word "had" out of the part in bold. That's what their study actually showed. More than a quarter million young people tried e-cigarettes AND never tried regular cigarettes. Not BEFORE they tried the e-cigs, but at the time of the study.

Note how that little word "had" changes the whole flavor. Spins it like e-cigs were a gateway, as in "They hadn't smoked cigarettes until they tried e-cigs".

Truth is their study is proof that e-cigs are NOT a gateway to smoking (and possibly that they're a gate that steers kids away from smoking). Not like you'd hear that from them even when their own data proves it.
 

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Take the word "had" out of the part in bold. That's what their study actually showed. More than a quarter million young people tried e-cigarettes AND never tried regular cigarettes. Not BEFORE they tried the e-cigs, but at the time of the study.

Note how that little word "had" changes the whole flavor. Spins it like e-cigs were a gateway, as in "They hadn't smoked cigarettes until they tried e-cigs".

Truth is their study is proof that e-cigs are NOT a gateway to smoking (and possibly that they're a gate that steers kids away from smoking). Not like you'd hear that from them even when their own data proves it.

Actually, I'm fairly certain I read that the majority of people under 18 who responded that they had tried ecigs on that survey also responded that they were already regular tobacco users at the time they did so. I'll see if I can find the link.
 

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I'm not in favor of marketing e-cigs to minors; and I don't believe reputable outlets do. BUT, given the fact that teenagers are teenagers, and will often be attracted to things that are forbidden for them, I'd much rather they pick up an e-cig, instead of a cigarette.
In my neck of the woods, we've had an explosion in the number of B&M shops, in the past year or so. I know most of the owners and employees of these shops, via a couple local groups I belong to. I don't know of a single one that will willingly sell to minors.
 

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There are a lot of companies who will lose a lot of $$$ because of all the health promoting ecigs. Just think, Chantix alone will suffer great financial losses, not to mention that not as many people will commit suicide because of using Chantix (so their ability to kill off smokers will decrease). Big tobacco looses ($$$). All the Nicotine patches and Pill companies lose ($$$).

All those getting kickbacks from Big Tobacco (think FDA, etc) can't come out and say they're against ecigs because they're losing money...so they just say they're against ecigs "because of the children". Yeah, that always works. LOL

My advice? Stock up on lots of Reo's. :)
 

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There are a lot of companies who will lose a lot of $$$ because of all the health promoting ecigs. Just think, Chantix alone will suffer great financial losses, not to mention that not as many people will commit suicide because of using Chantix (so their ability to kill off smokers will decrease). Big tobacco looses ($$$). All the Nicotine patches and Pill companies lose ($$$).

All those getting kickbacks from Big Tobacco (think FDA, etc) can't come out and say they're against ecigs because they're losing money...so they just say they're against ecigs "because of the children". Yeah, that always works. LOL

My advice? Stock up on lots of Reo's. :)

Totally agree! This is big tobacco business. And everyone connected to the money will fight. Even if the alternative is a better choice.

And I think I have enough REO's to keep me going for quite awhile!
 

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Totally agree! This is big tobacco business. And everyone connected to the money will fight. Even if the alternative is a better choice.

And I think I have enough REO's to keep me going for quite awhile!

nerak....just don't let the authorities know you have all those Reos. They'll come an get'em all!!! :)
 

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Does anyone know officially how many letters were written to the FDA back on August 8th?

Accoring to Phil Busardo's count... 40,352 Letters, and 121,056 Faxes were submitted. L I N K

It's great that so many are willing to let their opinions be known, but I've had enough experience in life to know that when it's a good cause you're working toward, where money is involved, money determines the outcome.

But the truth be known, I don't know how in the world anyone is going to stop the ecig freight train now. I just can't see it ever happening. The only part of vaping I would approve being regulated is the juices. It's what's inhaled that gives cigarette a bad reputation and kills some, and I'd hate to see that happen with our ecigs. Not to mention that we really don't want to see anyone get hurt. So let them regulate the juices and make the standards high. But for the more daring, DIY is always possible. Shoot, many folks just vape PG and/or VG.

Kinda funny how in my State, you can buy Pot on just about any corner in town, and liquor stores are prolific. But try to give smokers a little help and freedom from smoking and the government goes bananas. They have their priorities all totally confused. God save us.
 

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...The only part of vaping I would approve being regulated is the juices. It's what's inhaled that gives cigarette a bad reputation and kills some, and I'd hate to see that happen with our ecigs. Not to mention that we really don't want to see anyone get hurt. So let them regulate the juices and make the standards high...
Problem is, Big Tobacco is a major player in this game. If they have any say in how juices are regulated, it will be slanted so that the only way you can buy e-juice is in sealed, pre-packaged cartos (think of the chiiiiillllldrennnn!!!), with the "high standards" bar being set at the point where it will eliminate virtually all existing juice manufacturers. Only Big Tobacco will have the $$$ to meet the "high standards", so we'd have to buy all of our juices from them - at their prices, and with the additives of their choosing (and we know how they doctored cigarettes to make them more addictive, so why should we trust them with juice?).

Make no mistake - Big Tobacco, Big Pharma/Medicine and Big Insurance all have their money hooks in this fight. All of them stand to lose large chunks of income from significant numbers of people choosing vaping over smoking, and they don't like it one bit. Add in Big Government, who is ...... because they're missing out on "sin tax" money at this point. This whole thing has absolutely nothing to do with public health or safety - it has 100% to do with MONEY, and the FDA is bought and paid for by all these "Big" industries.

They can't even credibly pretend to care about safety when cigarettes are widely available to children, with the attendant health risks, fire hazard, etc. The flavor issue (marketing to youth) is a farce until the FDA decides to address the alcohol industry and their wide variety of sweet, candy, fruity, etc. flavors of hard liquor (which have scarcely drawn a mention about the possibility of luring minors into alcohol consumption). The whole vaping/e-cig argument is a poorly designed and poorly disguised scam to line the pockets of the industries the FDA is beholden to.
 
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I believe the bottom line is nicotine will be taxed. They can't stop anyone vaping PG/VG/flavoring, too late for that when there's mods, batteries and atties scattered everywhere, but its never too late to tax liquid nicotine. Australia will be following the world powers with great enthu$iasm, "protecting the people and the children."
 

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Problem is, Big Tobacco is a major player in this game. If they have any say in how juices are regulated, it will be slanted so that the only way you can buy e-juice is in sealed, pre-packaged cartos (think of the chiiiiillllldrennnn!!!), with the "high standards" bar being set at the point where it will eliminate virtually all existing juice manufacturers. Only Big Tobacco will have the $$$ to meet the "high standards", so we'd have to buy all of our juices from them - at their prices, and with the additives of their choosing (and we know how they doctored cigarettes to make them more addictive, so why should we trust them with juice?).

Make no mistake - Big Tobacco, Big Pharma/Medicine and Big Insurance all have their money hooks in this fight. All of them stand to lose large chunks of income from significant numbers of people choosing vaping over smoking, and they don't like it one bit. Add in Big Government, who is ...... because they're missing out on "sin tax" money at this point. This whole thing has absolutely nothing to do with public health or safety - it has 100% to do with MONEY, and the FDA is bought and paid for by all these "Big" industries.

They can't even credibly pretend to care about safety when cigarettes are widely available to children, with the attendant health risks, fire hazard, etc. The flavor issue (marketing to youth) is a farce until the FDA decides to address the alcohol industry and their wide variety of sweet, candy, fruity, etc. flavors of hard liquor (which have scarcely drawn a mention about the possibility of luring minors into alcohol consumption). The whole vaping/e-cig argument is a poorly designed and poorly disguised scam to line the pockets of the industries the FDA is beholden to.

You make excellent points. And I'll admit I lost my head there for a moment. I was actually thinking there would be a 'good faith' effort to regulate ejuices. But I should know better. Big Tobacco will definitely get in the game and take over, so they can put addictive and poisonous substances in their own juices, just like they still get away with in their cigarettes.

Let me repeat your most excellent point, the truth of the matter..."This whole thing has absolutely nothing to do with public health or safety - it has 100% to do with MONEY, and the FDA is bought and paid for by all these "Big" industries."

And your point about the FDA letting the alcohol industry market to children by selling all the fruit and candy flavors is excellent.

I'm convinced that the FDA is just another greedy incompetent hypocritical government agency.
 

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Actually, I'm fairly certain I read that the majority of people under 18 who responded that they had tried ecigs on that survey also responded that they were already regular tobacco users at the time they did so. I'll see if I can find the link.

Look at the CDC poster on Post 5 of this thread:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/597504-get-ready-fallout.html#post13996482

Not to mention stuff like this:

http:// thehill . com/ policy/healthcare/215883-cdc-kids-jumping-right-to-e-cigarettes

(Link broken - remove the 4 spaces....)
 
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Whenever the question of regulating e-juice comes up, my thought is: 'Regulate in what way?'
I admit, I'm against regulation of e-juice for partially selfish reasons. I'm a DIYer. I've been making my own juice for about 3 years. More recently, I have a couple local B&Ms I make some juice for. I don't actively pursue it any further than that. I don't really want to work that hard. I sell a little juice, enough so that it supports my own vaping hobby. That's about it.
I never sold a bottle of juice to anyone until I'd been making juice for 2 1/2 years or so. The point is, I know what I'm doing. So do other local 'juicers' I'm acquainted with. I make juice under the same sanitary conditions with which I prepare my meals. Big tobacco, the FDA, and those who are beating the regulation drum are under the impression that we DIYers and small juice makers are mixing juice in our bathtubs, basements, or back yard sheds. I don't know anyone who is doing that. But what I fear is, if the regulators come down heavy on juice makers, the chances of poorly made juice, by people who don't know what they are doing, will increase. There will be two choices. Bootleg juice, or juice produced by big tobacco. The small juice makers, many of whom are producing some very good product, will cease to exist. They will be financially unable, and unwilling, to jump through the hoops proposed by the FDA.
 

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Rule...if I may borrow from the Good Book below, I can only hope that the same principle would apply with regard to reasonable ejuice regulations... :)

"Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient...." (1 Timothy 1:9)

Understood. However, the same could be applied to the rest of the e-cig industry, and countless other life's activities and pleasures as well.
 
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