Article: Smokers more at risk for coronavirus

[Territoo]

Smokers more at risk in coronavirus fight, study says

"vaping and smoking are generally believed to increase the risk of COVID-19 mortality. Those who no longer smoke are also at risk due to previous lung damage, and even secondhand smoke could be a lung irritant that makes you more vulnerable,"

I just love how they lump vaping in with smoking despite no scientific evidence.

 

[Mordacai]

There's mention in research that COVID-19 may well have mutated into an airborne variant, but the powers that be and the media haven't covered it whatsoever as of yet.

But I believe that there's some studies on lung function of smokers and vapers, and the vapers had better lung function than the smokers.

But as I think @Territoo, media is a form of control.

As the reports of the bootleg THC cartridges which were cut with vitamin E acetate, because it was a vapable product a large majority of individuals therefore considered vaping Nicotine to be just as bad. And the media didn't do anything to correct this perception.

 

[Jebbn]

One study I read noted that stats for past smokers seem to suggest a risk but the stats for current smokers dont suggest that they are anymore at risk than a non smoker, probably less at risk unless they have underlying health problems.
**Something about an enzyme that the virus latches onto isnt as present in current smokers as it is in non smokers** . **I could be wrong about that though, its a vague memory**
I will try and find the paper and link it here. It was just a paper that had examined the stats that were available at the time, also, at the time I read it hadnt been peer reviewed, so, take it for what its worth.

 

[Wow1420]

I found the original study this article is about.
ACE-2 Expression in the Small Airway Epithelia of Smokers and COPD Patients: Implications for COVID-19
It's about smokers only, nothing about vaping.

[Edit - Don, this vindictive red X-ing is getting tiresome. Once was funny, continuing is not]

 

[Rossum]

That study presents a hypothesis, but no actual showing that smokers (or vapers!) are more severely affected.

OTOH, there have been a couple of studies of data from China that show smokers were actually under-represented among patient who were hospitalized for WuFlu there.

 

[AttyPops]

It's an "if you inhale nicotine, you have a slightly reduced risk of contracting it than you otherwise would have, but if you get it you have a greatly increased risk of having serious complications" thing.

So don't start smoking or vaping to reduce your risks. I suspect that any reduced risk is minimal, and it's probably eliminated for longer-term smokers, as they have no cilia left, and their lungs are so damaged! And even for vapers, nic inactivates the action of the cilia. So it's a war between ACE-2 expression + cilia deactivation and whatever protective attributes the nicotine might have.

As I [mis]understand it.

 

[stols001]

OTOH, there have been a couple of studies of data from China that show smokers were actually under-represented among patient who were hospitalized for WuFlu there

Could be the all died quickly at home.... I'm just floating that boat not saying it's true.

If we get an airborne we are sunk, but those of us who remain may HAVE an economy left. etc.

Anna

 

[AttyPops]

It's already airborne...always has been. The aerosol vs droplet model is old.
The aerosol, particularly from coughs and sneezes, but also from breathing, can last in the air for 3 hours or more.

This is why when we combine that data with the fact that you can be asymptomatic for long periods...we're now recommending masks to reduce the spread in the grocery stores and such. They're not guaranteed to protect YOU any, but they can reduce the spread and in particular the velocity of the particles, thus making more of them likely to fall to the ground or at least be in a smaller radius around an infected person.

But yeah, whole thing sucks. Certified gas masks for everyone (covers eyes too)!

 

[Territoo]

What I'd like to see is a study of the incidence of covid19 in vapers vs. smokers vs. nonsmokers. That's not likely to happen because it might conflict with their idea of "vaping is bad".

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Smoking, vaping and hospitalization for COVID-19 - Article (Preprint v13) | Qeios

"preliminary analysis does not support the argument that current smoking is a risk factor for hospitalization for COVID-19. Instead, these consistent observations, which are further emphasized by the low prevalence of current smoking among COVID-19 patients in the US (1.3%), raises the hypothesis that nicotine may have beneficial effects on COVID-19."

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

There's mention in research that COVID-19 may well have mutated into an airborne variant

They have been saying for along time now that SARS-CoV-2 can live in the air for 2+ hours.

As such, it has always been reported as a airborne virus since it can live in the air for hours and therefore be carried on the wind.

Am I missing something here?

 

[Territoo]

Smoking, vaping and hospitalization for COVID-19 - Article (Preprint v13) | Qeios

"preliminary analysis does not support the argument that current smoking is a risk factor for hospitalization for COVID-19. Instead, these consistent observations, which are further emphasized by the low prevalence of current smoking among COVID-19 patients in the US (1.3%), raises the hypothesis that nicotine may have beneficial effects on COVID-19."

"No studies recording e-cigarette use status among hospitalized COVID-19 patients were identified. Thus, no recommendation can be made for e-cigarette users."

Even if they had answered that question, the powers that be would've downplayed it, probably because it's from China. Bottom line is they don't want to admit to any benefits of vaping.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

"No studies recording e-cigarette use status among hospitalized COVID-19 patients were identified. Thus, no recommendation can be made for e-cigarette users."

Even if they had answered that question, the powers that be would've downplayed it, probably because it's from China. Bottom line is they don't want to admit to any benefits of vaping.

Fer sher. If vaping could eliminate hunger and natural disasters, we would never know. They would hide it.

 

[bombastinator]

Was just looking at National Geographic which was talking about something called p25. Which is apparently ultra fine particulate that can penetrate deep into tissues. They were discussing air pollution, but “fine airborne particulate” has additional meaning here.

 

[Mordacai]

No worries @UncleJunkle, they've mentioned bioaerosols. Which don't need coughing and sneezing to spread a pathogen.

Just talking and breathing can produce these, and they can be suspended in the air for a much longer time, and they can travel a much greater distance.

That's the basic 101 of it.

 

[bombastinator]

Smokers more at risk in coronavirus fight, study says

"Vaping and smoking are generally believed to increase the risk of COVID-19 mortality. Those who no longer smoke are also at risk due to previous lung damage, and even secondhand smoke could be a lung irritant that makes you more vulnerable,"

I just love how they lump vaping in with smoking despite no scientific evidence.

One thing I’ve learned is studies basically never “say”. It’s more or less exactly how they don’t work. people who claim they do are often trying to sell you something.

 

[Mordacai]

@bombastinator, I've always noticed that they never provide raw data. Only data that has been statistically processed.

And as an old saying goes.

There are lies, dammed lies and statistics.

 

[Opinionated]

Smokers more at risk in coronavirus fight, study says

"Vaping and smoking are generally believed to increase the risk of COVID-19 mortality. Those who no longer smoke are also at risk due to previous lung damage, and even secondhand smoke could be a lung irritant that makes you more vulnerable,"

I just love how they lump vaping in with smoking despite no scientific evidence.

vapers are usually former smokers though. I have COPD (stage 2) from smoking, and yes, people like myself are at far greater risk for severe challenges should they catch the dreaded plague...

But it's long time smokers (30, 40 years of it) who are most likely to develop complications.. (even though we now list "vaping" on our medical forms) but we are going into it with compromised lungs.

Without the plague I've had pneumonia twice this winter season..

 

[classwife]

Moved to Media and General News from General Vaping Discussion

 

[Territoo]

But it's long time smokers (30, 40 years of it) who are most likely to develop complications.. (even though we now list "vaping" on our medical forms) but we are going into it with compromised lungs.

Some computerized medical forms don't even have an option for vaping. At one doctor's office once, the nurse listed me as a smoker, not an ex- smoker, because I vape. If they don't separate us out from the smokers, then all of their data on smoking and covid19 is worthless.