Ashamed

[RCHagy74]

I second Stubby's post on smokeless.
I picked up some Snus for the ex to try. vaping does not seem to be her thing and she is interested in Snus. No spitting involved.

Inside Snusing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW18xy0OW3c

As for e-liquid, trying out different nic levels is a good thing. I started at 54mg on a ciga-like. Went to 36 with my ego and nautilus. Down to 18 a bit later. Got a couple drippers and tried 12mg and went back to 18 to get properly saturated. As long as you are off smoking do not fret to much about the chew.

 

[skullblade789]

I at 0's right now and will eventually move to maybe 3's. To finally answer Stubbs question, it is not about health, but really about people around me. Office is not too happy doing it and wife is definitely not happy. So those are the two main reasons for trying to stay off stinky's (Check already done) and the dipping habit. The dipping habit is not one I am proud of just because I quit all tobacco and now I am back on which makes for an uphill battle to quit for a third time.

 

[NancyR]

Ah.... No. Contrary to common myth, smokeless tobacco is not associated with oral cancer or rotting gums. You need to do a bit of reading

CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

Smokefree Health Effects

Snus is not the same thing tho as chew, and snus is one of the things CASAA does support, has been used for years and has not shown any of the side effects

 

[Stubby]

Snus is not the same thing tho as chew, and snus is one of the things CASAA does support, has been used for years and has not shown any of the side effects

First off I don't know why people are calling it chew, as the OP is using dip. Two different products.

And last but certainly not least, CASAA supports all forms of smokeless tobacco sold in the US. Essentially there is no difference in health outcomes between ST products. It is a myth that snus is less harmful then dip or chew in any meaningful way, and certainly nothing that shows up in population studies. The risk for all smokeless tobacco products is so low as to be more theoretical then actual (same for vaping).

I understand that decades of bad information has confused the issue, but the science tells us that all non-combustable forms of nicotine and tobacco have about the same low risk, meaning vanishingly low. Trying to split hairs between one or another is a fools errand. What ever works for you is all good.

 

[zoiDman]

I have been cigarette free for almost a year. I had been a month of Chew free. I just had a can of chew today. I am so not happy. Anyone know of something or a good idea to get me off this chew for good?

Nothing to be Ashamed of.

If you knew how many People have Slipped when trying to become Tobacco Free, you would see that you are Far from alone.

If you fall off your Bike you just have to get back on and Start Riding Again. They Key is to try and Figure Out why you used Today and find ways to Not Do It Again.

When I first Switch. I used High Nicotine e-Liquids (36mg) to get me Over the Hump. And then after a Month or so, slowly reduced my Nicotine to 24mg. And then Later to 18mg.

But I always kept a Carto of 36mg in my Desk Drawer. Just for when those Out-of-the-Blue urges for a Smoke might hit. I called it my "Break Glass in case of an Emergency" carto.

 

[FleetFoxes]

Ashamed is just another word for a lesson learned. Now act on it!

 

[SHOCK COLLAR]

addiction is very tricky our brains want something and will make you get it, one of those tricks is convincing you that you've earned it 1 little cheat but that rationalism usually leads to another. 1 is too many 1000 never enough. Dont get overwhelmed by the big picture... just focus on what you can do right now.

 

[juggler86]

It's surprising, but shouldn't feel bad about a small break in quitting like that.
Personally dip was easier to get off than cigarettes and I was doing 3 cans of Copenhagen Mint, Snuff, or snuff a day.

Maybe could bump the nicotine up in vaping a bit? Not a huge jump, but it could help.

What did you sleep with a dip in lol. Thats crazy did you suffer amy permanent mouth dage from dipping that much. Did you smoke along with that if so that had to be an expensive habbit.

 

[Rwb1500]

Don't worry about it. I accidentally bum a smoke fairly regularly. Then I say "Rwb, now you're not smoking." I start the next day vape in hand and pretend like yesterday didn't happen.

But for god's sake man get some eliquid with nicotine in it. That'll help. Don't be afraid to go to 6 or 12mg or even higher. No shame in the nic game.

 

[Baditude]

I don't see it much any more, but just a couple of years ago we had a forum motto:

"It's not how many cigarettes you smoke, it's how many cigarettes you DIDN'T smoke that's important."

Even if you have to sneak a couple of cigs a day, its better than smoking those others which will safe your life.

 

[NancyR]

First off I don't know why people are calling it chew, as the OP is using dip. Two different products.

And last but certainly not least, CASAA supports all forms of smokeless tobacco sold in the US. Essentially there is no difference in health outcomes between ST products. It is a myth that snus is less harmful then dip or chew in any meaningful way, and certainly nothing that shows up in population studies. The risk for all smokeless tobacco products is so low as to be more theoretical then actual (same for vaping).

I understand that decades of bad information has confused the issue, but the science tells us that all non-combustable forms of nicotine and tobacco have about the same low risk, meaning vanishingly low. Trying to split hairs between one or another is a fools errand. What ever works for you is all good.

Chew and Dip are the same thing, and even the CASAA site says "Due to improved processing over the past few decades, it is now considered to have the same low health effects as snus."

So it isn't just bad information as you put it, many of us DO know people who have suffered in the past from chew just as many do from smoking.

 

[Sonata Dusk]

I worked a little gas station kiosk for a while and sold a few products and I had quite a lot of guys (And I say guys because I saw guys purchase it almost exclusively over girls) tell me that dip is really hard. They liked it over cigarettes but would have trouble with quitting. They would always tell me that it was good but to stay away from the stuff.

Regardless, I think what really matters is that you probably just aren't getting the nicotine so hence, you're still having the cravings. It might just be getting used to the vaping over the way the dip feels as well. I was a former smoker for a few years and the first time I vaped, I wasn't so sure that I would like it. I was used to holding it a certain way and I found it frustrating at first.

I hope that just playing with your Nic level will bring the cravings down. Since you're at 0, I'd just go up one level on the nic, and then another, etc . . . start smaller and see if you need to go up more.

But go easy on yourself, most quitting efforts take more than one time (Wouldn't human beings be awesome if we could just drop things that are bad for us? Seriously, it'd be a different world) and vaping is a big change.

You'll get there.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

Nic is the only requirememnt for me. I got a couple of complete systems, one being a spare, and got a higher nic juice. If I don't have the urge to take a few draws but once a week, I get a lower nic. If it is taped to my mouth, higher nic.

My spare stayed in my car. If something happened to the primary, I had no excuse...

Happy vaping!

 

[Stubby]

So it isn't just bad information as you put it, many of us DO know people who have suffered in the past from chew just as many do from smoking.

That is a long long way from the truth. You are implying that ST was essentially as risky as smoking until recently (the last few decades), and that is a lie. Smokeless tobacco has always been vastly less harmful then smoking. The fact that someone feels ashamed to use ST tells us how good of a job the brainwashing has been.

 

[NancyR]

That is a long long way from the truth. You are implying that ST was essentially as risky as smoking until recently (the last few decades), and that is a lie. Smokeless tobacco has always been vastly less harmful then smoking. The fact that someone feels ashamed to use ST tells us how good of a job the brainwashing has been.

Maybe you should actually talk to some people like MY HUSBAND who has dealt with mouth cancer twice now

 

[rhelton]

Hey OP if you just have to have some tobacco product in you mouth which it just happens to be a thing, we used that stuff for years on end and there are times that I break down and need that urged to be satisfied. When I do I use Snus, it is a harm reduction just like vaping. I believe vaping to be safer and I think we are starting to see that from testing recently.

Dont feel like the Lone Ranger it happens to all of us.

 

[skullblade789]

Thank you for all the replies. Still dipping but have been uping my nic levels slowly. I have found my new favorite in the MOV line and that is Americano. Finally a good coffee flavor.

 

[Chris Budde]

good luck mate

 

[Stubby]

Maybe you should actually talk to some people like MY HUSBAND who has dealt with mouth cancer twice now

The three leading causes of oral cancer are smoking, excessive alcohol, and HPV. Smokeless tobacco doesn't even make it on the list of risk factors. Nearly all medical doctors are very uneducated about smokeless tobacco. If someone uses ST and has oral cancer and it is always falsely attributed to ST, even if the patient smoked. Population studies have shown essentially no link from ST to oral cancer. If your husband also smoked, that is what you have to look at as a cause of his issues.

 

[ruet]

The three leading causes of oral cancer are smoking, excessive alcohol, and HPV. Smokeless tobacco doesn't even make it on the list of risk factors. Nearly all medical doctors are very uneducated about smokeless tobacco. If someone uses ST and has oral cancer and it is always falsely attributed to ST, even if the patient smoked. Population studies have shown essentially no link from ST to oral cancer. If your husband also smoked, that is what you have to look at as a cause of his issues.

I can't speak to oral cancer but; from years of playing sports and being around people who dipped 24/7/365, I can't count the number of guys I know who had to get their lower lip scraped (slang) because of a pre-cancerous growth. That includes coaches, trainers and players. It was pretty epidemic and I always dreaded the day I would have to have it done too. After I quit it took a couple of months for my lower lip to return to "normal".