Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material
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"READYxWICK™ is made of a material which is a protected and restricted United States Technology. If caught selling, shipping, or owning this product outside of the USA you could be subject of fines per infraction of up to $750,000.00."
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Hello Ryedan! Talk to me about vertical coils, please. Do you do vertical builds? I have never tried a vertical coil, well, not since my KR808 carto days, anyway, but so many people like them. I also wonder why Kanger isn't making a vertical coil; after all, they invented it.
I have not tried them Katya, but I know some people who know their stuff do use them and find them preferable in some devices, mainly kayfun types. The Atlantis is similar to a kayfun in that it has a (very) small air chamber and has air flow through the inside of the vertical coil.
This setup has a couple of differences compared to air flow through a relatively small hole onto the outside of the coil, regardless of coil orientation. You can make the coil any length and the air still passes over every wrap. Some RDAs have slots instead of round air holes to remedy this, but I doubt it's ever quite as good. You also get more options for wick design as opposed to when you have the wick inside the coil.
Seems to me this should have the effect of boosting flavor and limiting power, other things being equal. I haven't tried it myself though so this is just my opinion.
Happy New Year Katya and all the best in 2015
In 1995...
I had a girlfriend that died from Toxic Shock Syndrome ...
It was the material of the string connected to her tampon that caused the problem....and ultimately lead to her death....
and now ...20 years later!
The same piece of string...but this time its ceramic and....!!!!
I don't Wanna Die!!!!
I just want to vape..
I had a girlfriend that died from Toxic Shock Syndrome ...
It was the material of the string connected to her tampon that caused the problem....and ultimately lead to her death....
and now ...20 years later!
The same piece of string...but this time its ceramic and....!!!!
I don't Wanna Die!!!!
I just want to vape..
Can someone clarify what makes Japanese or organic cotton a safer material for wicking. Are there any studies done? Hopefully the answer is not because it's organic
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Please read: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-atlantis-coils-material-18.html#post14890938
This is several pages back in this thread. The answer is NO. There is a degree of risk in with the unknown that you're going to have to accept in order to vape anything. Studies are being done but until then, its an unknown, but with known potential hazards. Simple as that.
Yeah i agree with your previous post. Some have said the bvc material as long as its wet the material can't fly out. Some say cotton may not be any safer. I guess until studies are done there are alot of unknowns
I do agree sub ohm vaping at high wattage poses the most risk even is used with the safest material (cotton, ceramic etc.)
Thats why im vaping on my atlantis at 15w. And im even considering going back to using weaker clearomizers at lower wattages (11-12w).
Using the atlantis , subtank, trying rda's at 30w , my lungs do feel a little more pain. Like when i used to smoke cigs
And that could also be higher heat. These tanks with subohm coils at higher wattages also mean greater potential heat. One way to deal with that is mouth to lung, or avoid lung altogether - or you can get an extra long drip tip designed to heatsink the vapor.
My lungs feel heavy when I vape a high ratio of vg, which seems like what most people use when they vape sub-ohm.
I'm a bit confused about the claims of VAPOR JOE. He bashed the ATlantis by claiming it has "silica wick" that can cause "silicosis" ..... correct me if I am wrong.
Then "JOE" mentions the wick in the KANGER SUBTANK is "...fully organic cotton wicked...". That's fine for the SUBTANK - but what about the other Kanger products that use "silica" as the wick material? If the ATLANTIS has "silica" and other Kanger products have "silica" HOW can the older Kanger products be considered "safe".
And once again I repeat myself (sorry) ......If as JOE states there is "silica" in the Atlantis (this is disputed by many folks) and if "silica" is bad in the Atlantis - WHY is it not bad in earlier Kanger products??
I imagine I might be missing some important points, but it seems as if JOE is ignoring the use of "silica" in many other Kanger products, but condemning it's supposed use in the Atlantis he is simply ignoring the "silica" Kanger has been exposing folks to for years.
Where am I off base? I know I must be missing a point or ten -- but I just can't get by JOES claims. (HELP!)
Senile Old Man Donnie ...... thoroughly confused by VAPOR JOE
Then "JOE" mentions the wick in the KANGER SUBTANK is "...fully organic cotton wicked...". That's fine for the SUBTANK - but what about the other Kanger products that use "silica" as the wick material? If the ATLANTIS has "silica" and other Kanger products have "silica" HOW can the older Kanger products be considered "safe".
And once again I repeat myself (sorry) ......If as JOE states there is "silica" in the Atlantis (this is disputed by many folks) and if "silica" is bad in the Atlantis - WHY is it not bad in earlier Kanger products??
I imagine I might be missing some important points, but it seems as if JOE is ignoring the use of "silica" in many other Kanger products, but condemning it's supposed use in the Atlantis he is simply ignoring the "silica" Kanger has been exposing folks to for years.
Where am I off base? I know I must be missing a point or ten -- but I just can't get by JOES claims. (HELP!)
Senile Old Man Donnie ...... thoroughly confused by VAPOR JOE
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Silica wick is the common material used in most atomizers. Its been used from day one starting with cartomizers. They type of wick and the way it is treated may have been different. Its odd to be condemning silica wick when its probably the most preferred wick in most atomizers due to its high tolerance for heat. The traditional issue around silica wick is whether it sheds fibers when vaped and what the size of those fibers are. Again, there are a lot of unknowns, but we do know silica fiber in various microscopic sized fibers in great enough quantity should not be inhaled as they lodge in the fine structures inside the lungs, leading to various lung diseases. This is well documented in industrial settings and the most common result is various medical conditions commonly referred to as silicosis. Silicosis is a class of conditions which can include inflamation, fluid retention, damage to capillaries, tumors and necrotic conditions - all of which can cause long term generalized lung disease and cancer. The real danger is the effects can be delayed as its the body's reaction over time in dealing with this foreign matter in the lungs can take years to develop. We may not see consequences for another 10 years.
The issue at hand in the Atlantis subtank is not the use of silica, its the use of the "ceramic wick" sandwiched between cotton on on the inner tank lining and against the coil, which under conditions we are still establishing thermally decompose.
As far as I know there is no silica wick in the Atlantis subtank. There is speculation about what the "ceramic wick" is in fact composed of and so far Aspire has not provided any detailed clarifications, and in their answers to inquiries appears to be dodging the question, making people further speculate about what the material may be. Many have speculated its fiberglass, silica, various mineral oxides bound by ceramic powder. The mobility of the material when vaped is a question of concern because of the powdery and fibrous nature of the "ceramic wick" that the Atlantis subtank uses.
I don't dismiss some of what Joe says but think it wasn't well thought out and he shot from the hip when he wrote it. In this case the issue is about very specific details, so the conversation around the issue has to be accurate to the points or its at best pointless and at worse misleading.
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I think people should be mindful that Vap0rJ0e's is a product blog, and news releases is shouldn't be taken as authoritative in depth treatment of any subject.
You have to consider the source. As Firecrow said, Joe often "shoots from the hip." If you ever watch Mod Envy you'll see that he can get worked up about something before all the facts are known.
Joe also said that it was "confirmed" by "inside sources" that the P3 would be 24 watts. One of his top admins thought that the DNA 40 was created and designed to be used for the "other stuff".
Keep in mind that he is all about the money. The more hits he gets, (and he certainly did with this one) the more money he makes. Creating controversial posts is a great way to do that, so that's what he does.
Thanks folks - I appreciate the information. The main place where I was confused was when he said "silica" is bad, yet Kanger (and others) used or still use it in teir earlier line of atomizers _EVOD, T3S, ProTanks etc. Joe seemed off base but I thought I might have been misinterpreting what was in his article.
THANKS AGAIN for the information - I do appreciate it a lot. I suspicioned he was compensated in one form or another. This confirms that ------> "Keep in mind that he is all about the money. The more hits he gets, (and he certainly did with this one) the more money he makes. Creating controversial posts is a great way to do that, so that's what he does.
Senile Old Man Donnie
THANKS AGAIN for the information - I do appreciate it a lot. I suspicioned he was compensated in one form or another. This confirms that ------> "Keep in mind that he is all about the money. The more hits he gets, (and he certainly did with this one) the more money he makes. Creating controversial posts is a great way to do that, so that's what he does.
Senile Old Man Donnie
Thats right, people are a crack addicts when it comes to gossip, rumors, controversy and everything else that is not a fact. Because facts are boring. Just take a look at all the Celebrities magazines that cover scandals and wife beatings.
Maybe we should just run some tubing from the drip tip, to the inlet of a water pipe, and then any particulates would be caught in the water before going through to our mouths. [emoji1]. That would get us some weird looks, though, I'm sure! That actually brings up an interesting idea, though...I bet the addition of a small filter chamber would eliminate a lot of these worries. Maybe a super fine multi-layer metal mesh that goes between the drip tip and the clearo?
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We do not have the scientific facts on this yet? We don't yet know if silica is shedding into the vapor?
I doubt we do...at least not for every model coil on the market.
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Don, it's all silica.
But what some folks don't understand is that there are different kinds of silica; one kind is OK for vaping--and it's been discussed here a long time before VJ wrote his article. Amorphous silica, commonly used in wicks by all (or most) e-cig manufacturers, has been deemed safe by our resident chemists and is even approved by FDA for use in food and medicine. Those tiny wicks threaded through the heating coil, used in cartomizers, atomizers and clearomizers, are all made out of amorphous silica. Kanger's OCC (organic cotton coils) made for the Sub Tank do not contain any silica fibers because they use Japanese organic cotton (see picture of Kanger's coil I posted earlier).Please read this post by tenshi, and this one by Boden,and [URL="http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-vaping/377764-dangers-silica-wicks-5.html#post9181477"]this one by Kurt,[/URL]our resident chemist and a person I trust completely in all matters related to chemistry.
More on the subject:
http://srs.unm.edu/industrial-hygiene/media/docs/silica.pdf
"Amorphous Silica: Multiple studies have found amorphous silica to be biologically inert when
ingested and inhaled, with the exception of extruded fiberglass and ceramic fibers (which have been
designated as carcinogens by the National Toxicology Program), which are hazardous due to their
very small size and their high length to width aspect ratio. Because of this inertness, the US Food
and Drug Administration permits the use of amorphous silica (not fiberglass or ceramic fibers!) in food
and medicine. "
So, the question under discussion is not whether Aspire is using silica fibers or not, but what kind of silica they are using, exactly. Their lab test clearly states that the material tested is fiberglass. And fiberglass (crystalline silica) is not suitable for inhalation.
http://www.aspirecig.com/uploads/scs.pdf
Hope this clarifies things for you.
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