Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material
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All of said coil heads are made of chrome plated brass! I accidentally scratched one putting it in my billet bridge. Then checked the others and yup. [emoji15]
It is shocking people justify inhaling anything because they used to smoke. I don't understand why those who don't care about their health quit smoking in the first place...
Chrome played brass really isn't a problem either. People have been smoking from chrome plated brass devices for decades. The vast majority of kitchen and bathroom faucets have chrome plated brass in them too.
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I don't think anyone is justifying things because they smoked. I think the person you're referring to was trying to point out that all the nitpicking will do the vaping world more harm than good at this point. If anyone wants to be 100% safe, then they shouldn't be smoking OR vaping. Wouldn't you agree?
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There is such a thing as safer vaping. I see many posts about people who simply don't care, whether it be this issue or the issues with custards. We do need lab rats, though, so I guess it is a good thing some simply don't care what they vape...
Trust me...I agree. That's partly why I won't go above 20W. I personally believe any more power than that is unnecessary and pointless.
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People keep making straw-man arguments (a straw-man is where you argue against a position no one is actually making); everyone is going to have a different risk threshold. Some people are OK with diacetyl, some are OK with the other diketones while research is done, some are OK with brass and some people are OK with fiberglass, some people aren't OK with any flavorings at all. Right now, I have a different risk threshold when it comes to some flavorings compared to others -- and that's OK, but I don't deny that the science behind a lot of general flavorings is still up in the air. The science behind fiberglass paper and ceramic paper is not up in the air. If someone doesn't want to know, this isn't the thread for them, and if they know but don't care, not my problem. But again, the science behind ceramic paper and fiberglass paper is not up in the air.
This stuff isn't nit-picking or hysteria or xenophobia or trolling, it's information that if I didn't have it I'd really want to know, that's backed up with logic and science. Just like I'd want to know if someone was selling a battery labeled with one amperage that was actually another, or someone was selling a mod they said had a safety fuse but didn't. I have yet to see a solid argument against discussing it or why it isn't a problem. Telling someone they shouldn't look out for themselves, the people they care about or vapers in general who don't hang out in geeky forum threads just doesn't parse for me.
Please don't accuse me of making a straw man argument, because my stance is far from it. Yes, ceramic fiber is a known carcinogen when inhaled. I never argued that. What I'm arguing is whether or not the ceramic fiber they use is a carcinogen when used in the way it's designed. And the same goes for cotton. I'm curious about how you feel about these studies that explain the health risks associated with the inhalation of cotton fibers and the smoke from burnt cotton (hint: both cause cancer)
Diffuse lung disease caused by cotton fibre inhalation
http://m.thorax.bmj.com/content/59/12/1095.full
Impact ofCarbon Monoxide on CardiopulmonaryDysfunctionAfterSmoke Inhalation Injury
http://circres.ahajournals.org/content/66/1/69.full.pdf
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Diffuse lung disease caused by cotton fibre inhalation
http://m.thorax.bmj.com/content/59/12/1095.full
Impact ofCarbon Monoxide on CardiopulmonaryDysfunctionAfterSmoke Inhalation Injury
http://circres.ahajournals.org/content/66/1/69.full.pdf
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I wouldn't use cotton any more than I would use fiberglass wicking materials on an rba. Natural alpaca fiber is the way to go...
One if my biggest peeves is when people assume that things are better for you just because they are natural or "organic". It's honestly one of the most rediculous thought processes I've encountered. Arsenic and Mercury are 100% natural, but I'd happily inhale a pinch of ceramic or rayon fibers over either of those if I had a gun to my head.
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I've been considering dog hair, since I have so much around. I often find it in my tanks and on my wicks anyway.
Agree 100%. It's called a 'naturalistic fallacy.' Chemical illiteracy.
I'm satisfied with Aspire's answer to the concerns about wicking material. I've got a pair of N minis and an Atlantis. I use them daily, I like them. I don't expect they are any more hazardous than all the other similar products on the market. I vaped my way to zero cigarettes with Aspire tanks and they continue to serve me well.
The true definition is fallacious appeal to nature. The two fallacies are often confused and I honestly didn't know the difference between the two until fairly recently when someone pointed me to this http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy
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Naturalistic fallacy- what's natural is inheritably safe, what's not natural is inheritably not safe or unhealthy....
If you had one of those dogs with dread locks you may be on to something...
I understood what you meant, and I probably shouldn't have quoted you in my response. I was talking more about those that believe that organic cotton is a safer material primarily because it's organic.
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