Aspire official statement on Atlantis coils material

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Katya

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i'm not completely sure english is this kids second language. but i am sure this kid is severely mentally challenged. i don't even want to point out something wrong in the video. i want to find something right in the video. it's going to take some serious effort and man hours. :blink:

Really? I actually find it very encouraging how quickly he realizes that 260 watts is not his cup of tea and finds his sweet spot at 10 watts. Shows very good judgment and adaptability. ;)
 

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And while we're on the subject of more huge vapor, look at this video. You don't have to watch the whole thing--just start at 1:30 min and watch what happens at about 2 minutes... ;)

I saw that video the other day. It's always nice to have a good laugh and that was hilarious :2cool:. At one point I really thought Victor was some guy making fun of the mod or of the company or higher wattage, but I think it's authentic :facepalm:. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Some of the comments were really good too :)
 

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i don't even want to point out something wrong in the video. i want to find something right in the video. it's going to take some serious effort and man hours. :blink:

Oh gawd, don't bother, I doubt you'll find anything beckdg. IMO just enjoy the comedy value and replay when you need a good laugh :lol:
 

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Based on my knowledge of byproducts of combustion and incomplete combustion, I totally disagree. I only do so because there are facts available about combustion byproducts that we can reference in the here and now.

The question will be are the levels of undesirable combustion byproducts at high temps going to be at or below what we consider safe as defined by OSHA set levels, which are the only really published levels accepted by government, who sets the laws and regulations. They would look to this as a precedent reference. Medical references will always advise zero exposure because of the liability of saying otherwise.



If you're low power you may not face the combustion issues. I am not sure at what power or temp level the wicking compounds decompose at, but I am sure there is a safe level. That doesn't address loose material making its way up the chimney.

Before I found this thread, at the end of using my first atlantis coil, I did notice what I think was particles coming up the chimney into my lungs. I didn't know if those particles were fine liquid particles or part of the wicking material so I took it apart today to investigate. I did find charing (incomplete combustion) on the inner liner that is closest to the coil. It was not burned through so I don't think I inhaled any fibers. I vaped the atlantis at 25 watts max.
So I decided to reuse the coil and just wrap kgd around it and reinstalled. I'm vaping at 22 watts. I'll update after a few tanks as to the condition of the cotton when I take it apart again. Thanx Firecrow and everyone for contributing.
 

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I agree that China has gotten the message of "more huge vapor" alright. I just want to make sure that they do so in a responsible manner. There are two companies that have been in the game from the very beginning and are very business savvy and well aware of the political climate in the States and EU--they know that the FDA and other governmental agencies all over the world are trying to curb, if not ban, vaping altogether, and they are playing the game by delivering products that are safe to use. But there are plenty of new kids on the vaping block who just want to make a quick buck. I have nothing personally against Eigate Aspire--and I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I won't trust their products just because representative Tina on their website tells me that the ceramic paper is just dandy. :)

And while we're on the subject of more huge vapor, look at this video. You don't have to watch the whole thing--just start at 1:30 min and watch what happens at about 2 minutes... ;)


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Gooooooodddddd
 

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My letter:

Allen Liu, CEO
Aspire
Building B3, Xin Hongtai Industry Park
Jian'an Road 14
Tangwei
Fuyong Town,Bao'an District
Shenzhen, China December 28, 2014

Dear Mr. Liu,

Thank you for the products Aspire makes in the e-cigarette industry. I have enjoyed your company’s products for over a year now and enjoy them almost daily. It must be greatly satisfying to you to know your company helps thousands of people to quit smoking.
I have a product inquiry, specifically regarding the Aspire Atlantis tank and specifically the atomizer. I purchased this tank about a month ago and I agree that the flavor and vapor production are a significant improvement on other refillable tanks.

I have a background in respiratory protection, so I am particularly interested in the products I use in my vaping past time as it pertains to my health. Once I use a product, I take it apart to see the state of the atomizer after its use. I would like to share with you what I found with the Aspire Atlantis BVC atomizer and ask you a few questions that you will hopefully be able to answer.

On the third page is a picture of the disassembled atomizer for your reference. Here is my use information below:

Vapor Device: VaporShark rDNA30
Mode & Power: Wattage, 11W-14W
Atomizer Use: Daily for 2 weeks
Number of refills: 5

You’ll note in the photograph areas of concern, specifically charring and missing material. Your undated release of information located on the Aspire Forums website, posted by Kiki Chan on August 6, 2014 addresses the construction, some materials and testing of the components of the Atlantis Atomizer in order to address “false information and rumors spread on the internet about our product.”. I appreciate that you shared this information with the community in order to assure your customers.

As you can see in the photograph, the cotton directly adjacent to the coil is completely thermally decomposed, exposing the ceramic wick. The document does not address the composition of the ceramic wick, only to say it was tested by SGS for specific toxins which are not present. Being in the business of e-cigarettes I am sure you feel you’ve chosen safe materials to construct the atomizer with, however, when materials thermally decompose, they undergo chemical changes as well as the release of byproducts of combustion. Since as you can see in the photograph the cotton separating the coil from the ceramic paper is completely burned away, exposing the high temperature coil, specifically 3 loops, direct to the ceramic paper, there was thermal decomposition present. Charring and missing materials confirms this.

In using the atomizer there was no indication of combustion in the temperature or taste of the vapor, other than the taste became flat. There was no burnt flavor, but the atomizer continued to produce vapor in the same quantity as before.

My concern is the nature of the ceramic paper under conditions of thermal decomposition which the SGS testing does not address. Since this ceramic paper is unique to your company and I understand the need to protect intellectual property, its specific composition is unstated anywhere. Further the SGS testing does not address failure of the cotton layer to protect the ceramic paper from 1) exposure, or 2) combustion.

The response to the community in the post on the forum refers to “as long as it is properly used and kept saturated during use, it will performed as designed.”

So my question, which is not answered anywhere in your available product documents is, how does Aspire define “designed use”? I used this at 11W-14W for 5 tank refills. I commonly rebuild Kayfun RTAs and use Kanthal wire and cotton and do not have thermal decomposition such as is evidenced in this photograph, so I have to presume it is different from your product – but I cannot find any recommendations anywhere.

My questions are as follows:
1. What is the recommended lifespan and wattage use for this product?
2. Is it acceptable to Aspire that the Atlantis atomizer fails to the point of thermal decomposition in this manner and can a fail safe be designed into it to alert the user that the atomizer has expired?
3. What byproducts of combustion have I been exposed to since the coil had direct contact with the heated coil?
4. Was I exposed to microparticles of ceramic paper because the wicking cotton layer burned away and does your company have health advice that I can seek with a respirologist?
5. What is the ceramic paper composed of so that I can reference its properties to my respirologist?

As in Kiki Chan’s reply, “Aspire will spend more time communicating with our customers and friends to further educate and actively listen to your feedback / recommendations to further develop safe, healthy products.” In that spirit I look forward to your recommendations to me regarding using your product as designed in a healthy manner.
 

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Very nicely put, Firecrow. Thank you again for taking the time to do this.

If I may make just one suggestion? Could you email the copy of your letter to Aspire's service department?

service@aspirecig.com

They are the only ones who responded to my emails; Mr. Liu never did, even though I know for a fact that he responded to another ECF member (who just happens to like their products. ;))

Good luck! And keep us posted!
 

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Ony foh pofessional vapah!
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"Its too high a wattage... so it just get lil' burn..."

Uh, really? Only just a little?

"260 is just for professional, professional vapor!Iif you not professional vapor please don't use these products..."

I remember the first time I breathed fire.... NOT.

Yes, because professionals have fireproof mouths and lungs and are trained to inhale fire. I just love YouTube, people are so unplugged these days, you get to see utterly unfiltered and stupid ...., and if it wasn't so dangerous, I'd actually laugh about it.
 

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Very nicely put, Firecrow. Thank you again for taking the time to do this.

If I may make just one suggestion? Could you email the copy of your letter to Aspire's service department?

service@aspirecig.com

They are the only ones who responded to my emails; Mr. Liu never did, even though I know for a fact that he responded to another ECF member (who just happens to like their products. ;))

Good luck! And keep us posted!

Will do...


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Well, they aren't using Outlook...
 
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"Its too high a wattage... so it just get lil' burn..."

Uh, really? Only just a little?

"260 is just for professional, professional vapor!Iif you not professional vapor please don't use these products..."

I remember the first time I breathed fire.... NOT.

Yes, because professionals have fireproof mouths and lungs and are trained to inhale fire. I just love YouTube, people are so unplugged these days, you get to see utterly unfiltered and stupid ...., and if it wasn't so dangerous, I'd actually laugh about it.
I'd bet he was using something on the order of 30 or 32 gauge kanthal.

If you can get nearly instant vapor from 10 watts, the limit to your build is likely in the 10 to 12 watt range.

He had no business putting 32 watts through that build let alone triple digits of any kind.

Sent from my device.
 

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"Its too high a wattage... so it just get lil' burn..."

Uh, really? Only just a little?

"260 is just for professional, professional vapor!Iif you not professional vapor please don't use these products..."

I remember the first time I breathed fire.... NOT.

Yes, because professionals have fireproof mouths and lungs and are trained to inhale fire. I just love YouTube, people are so unplugged these days, you get to see utterly unfiltered and stupid ...., and if it wasn't so dangerous, I'd actually laugh about it.

It's pohfessional vapah!
 

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Aspire has provided an explanation and even provided a detailed diagram as what is inside the head and how it works.
The vapor is coming off the organic cotton. Yet people are still worried about vaping off the ceramic paper.
I have seen pictures of the coil/materials looking like hell. The cotton burnt through. But also I bet these same people vaped the crap out of the coil at 30-40 watts for more than a week.

Newsflash - Don't overvape on these coils at a high wattage. At 30 W and going through 5-7ml of eliquid on a daily basis, you won't get more than 3 days out of these coils. At 20 W about 5-6 days. I'm down to 22W instead of 30W. Got to make the sacrifice bc i'm not good at rebuilding and the coils are not the cheapest.
 
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