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@Hawise i have one more little question, is it bad to use the batteri at its max? for example would it be bad if i used the samsung 25R at 120w constantly?
thanks for the help!!

It wouldn't be horrible, but it wouldn't really be good. batteries deteriorate as they age, so after a few months you wouldn't really have a 20A CDR. Like @bombastinator says, the real problem is that they'd age a lot more quickly. You'd have more trouble with voltage sag and the like, and your capacity would drop relatively quickly.

You'd get better performance from a ~25 A battery if you want to stay at 120w most of the time. There's even one with the same capacity as the 25R. You might consider:
  • Sony VTC5A (the 'A' is really important there) - 25 A, 2500 mAh
  • LG HD series - 25 A, 2000 - 2200 mAh
  • Sony VTC4 - 23 A, 2100 mAh
  • Sanyo UR18650NSX - 22 A, 2500 mAh
  • Samsung 20R - 22 A, 2000 mAh
If you don't tend to go higher than 120 w you'll want to avoid the batteries with CDR's over 25 A. Their capacity drops to 1500 mAh and there wouldn't be much of a benefit to you.
 
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It wouldn't be horrible, but it wouldn't really be good. batteries deteriorate as they age, so after a few months you wouldn't really have a 20A CDR. Like @bombastinator says, the real problem is that they'd age a lot more quickly. You'd have more trouble with voltage sag and the like, and your capacity would drop relatively quickly.

You'd get better performance from a ~25 A battery if you want to stay at 120w most of the time. There's even one with the same capacity as the 25R. You might consider:
  • Sony VTC5A (the 'A' is really important there) - 25 A, 2500 mAh
  • LG HD series - 25 A, 2000 - 2200 mAh
  • Sony VTC4 - 23 A, 2100 mAh
  • Sanyo UR18650NSX - 22 A, 2500 mAh
  • Samsung 20R - 22 A, 2000 mAh
If you don't tend to go higher than 120 w you'll want to avoid the batteries with CDR's over 25 A. Their capacity drops to 1500 mAh and there wouldn't be much of a benefit to you.
thanks for the answer.
but what would happen if i stay at 110w? i have seen the sony vtc4 but here in colombia there are not a lot of options so i will have to buy the 25 r. as i was saying what do you think about staying at 110?
 
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thanks for the answer.
but what would happen if i stay at 110w? i have seen the sony vtc4 but here in colombia there are not a lot of options so i will have to buy the 25 r. as i was saying what do you think about staying at 110?
The impression I am getting is that you want to run this thing at the highest voltage you possibly can without blowing it up. Not sure why but I suppose that doesn’t really matter. At 110v you’ll be pulling 55v per battery. You’ll get some pulse and your batteries will drain fairly quickly. They won’t blow up though. To eliminate pulse (which you may or may not care about) you need to get under 40w a battery or even lower.
I will now test all this with my current vape in the hope that it helps clarify things:
My current vape is an ageis which is a single battery 26650 and has a bypass option that effectively turns it into a mech. I just flipped it to bypass and checked the panel. I’ve been vaping on this battery for about 3 hrs at 30w and it’s down to something near 80% in bypass mode it’s reading 3.94v has a .52ohm coil in it and is delivering it 29.4w. That’s at 80% power.
Now I’ve just flipped it back to power mode and ramped the power up to 50w which is about as much as this particular coil will take without burning. It still vapes fine, but I’m hitting my joule thief to pump the voltage up to 5.12v on a battery that’s only actually producing 3.94v. Clouds are up maybe 10-20%, flavor is almost non existent, and if I keep this up my battery will be dead in a couple hours. After a mere 3 hits at 50w my battery is already down .2w
Flipping it back to bypass mode and vaping it at what is now 29.1w, the clouds are actually a hair larger than 50w because there’s no joule thief pulsing. Flavor is better too though the vape is no longer warm.
Now going back to power at 30w which is just into pulsing territory atm I am getting essentially the same vape that I did on bypass.
 

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The impression I am getting is that you want to run this thing at the highest voltage you possibly can without blowing it up. Not sure why but I suppose that doesn’t really matter. At 110v you’ll be pulling 55v per battery. You’ll get some pulse and your batteries will drain fairly quickly. They won’t blow up though. To eliminate pulse (which you may or may not care about) you need to get under 40w a battery or even lower.
I will now test all this with my current vape in the hope that it helps clarify things:
My current vape is an ageis which is a single battery 26650 and has a bypass option that effectively turns it into a mech. I just flipped it to bypass and checked the panel. I’ve been vaping on this battery for about 3 hrs at 30w and it’s down to something near 80% in bypass mode it’s reading 3.94v has a .52ohm coil in it and is delivering it 29.4w. That’s at 80% power.
Now I’ve just flipped it back to power mode and ramped the power up to 50w which is about as much as this particular coil will take without burning. It still vapes fine, but I’m hitting my joule thief to pump the voltage up to 5.12v on a battery that’s only actually producing 3.94v. Clouds are up maybe 10-20%, flavor is almost non existent, and if I keep this up my battery will be dead in a couple hours. After a mere 3 hits at 50w my battery is already down .2w
Flipping it back to bypass mode and vaping it at what is now 29.1w, the clouds are actually a hair larger than 50w because there’s no joule thief pulsing. Flavor is better too though the vape is no longer warm.
Now going back to power at 30w which is just into pulsing territory atm I am getting essentially the same vape that I did on bypass.
yes, im trying to get the maximum watts without blowing up the battery. but 80 watts seems to be very low!!! i have buyed the aspire speeder and the coil is recomended for 100 to 120 watts. what would you recomend me to do?
 

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You do not have to vape at the recommended watts, and I certainly almost never do, I am lower. There is no practical reason to run your speeder at 110 watts, but it looks like not much is going to stop you, although I am fairly certain that you could do a coil/airflow adjustment that allowed lower wattage and a higher safety margin. But, do what you are going to do, I guess. Recommended wattages are just that, a recommendation, but that doesn't mean much what matters is your satisfaction with the vape you are getting.

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You do not have to vape at the recommended watts, and I certainly almost never do, I am lower. There is no practical reason to run your speeder at 110 watts, but it looks like not much is going to stop you, although I am fairly certain that you could do a coil/airflow adjustment that allowed lower wattage and a higher safety margin. But, do what you are going to do, I guess. Recommended wattages are just that, a recommendation, but that doesn't mean much what matters is your satisfaction with the vape you are getting.

Anna
yes Anna, you are right, its about personal satisfaccion, but i am thinking about using it with my friends, i have seen a lot of videos and at 120w its mind blowing the cloud that it produce. i have never experienced that but i ordered this mod just because of that.
(i have to say that havent recieved it yet, but im very excited waiting for it!!!)
thanks for the help Anna.
 
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yes Anna, you are right, its about personal satisfaccion, but i am thinking about using it with my friends, i have seen a lot of videos and at 120w its mind blowing the cloud that it produce. i have never experienced that but i ordered this mod just because of that.
(i have to say that havent recieved it yet, but im very excited waiting for it!!!)
thanks for the help Anna.
I suppose I should try the wildly high wattage thing before I knock it.
 

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thanks for the answer.
but what would happen if i stay at 110w? i have seen the sony vtc4 but here in colombia there are not a lot of options so i will have to buy the 25 r. as i was saying what do you think about staying at 110?

I don't really have anything to add to what @bombastinator said so well.

You might be overthinking things a bit. On the happy day your vapemail arrives, prime your coil and start at 40 - 60 w (you have to break in the coil, after all). Then work your way up to 120 w for a brief period. You may find you prefer the vape at lower settings as coil ratings are often exaggerated. If you really do like it better at 120 W, you can see if it's possible to source higher power batteries - but there's a good chance you won't need to.
 
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yes, im trying to get the maximum watts without blowing up the battery. but 80 watts seems to be very low!!! i have buyed the aspire speeder and the coil is recomended for 100 to 120 watts. what would you recomend me to do?
Why do you want to use as many watts as you can? I thought you were after max cloud. The two are not necessarily synonymous.
 

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I don't get what the point is in using high wattages?
im trying to find this out at the moment. My testing so far says that high wattage does not necessarily mean bigger clouds, or anything in fact except dead batteries. I could be really wrong here though. I suspect it’s all in the coil you want to use. I’ve been looking for input on this but am not finding much. It is looking more and more like high wattage is mostly useless.
 

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I don't really have anything to add to what @bombastinator said so well.

You might be overthinking things a bit. On the happy day your vapemail arrives, prime your coil and start at 40 - 60 w (you have to break in the coil, after all). Then work your way up to 120 w for a brief period. You may find you prefer the vape at lower settings as coil ratings are often exaggerated. If you really do like it better at 120 W, you can see if it's possible to source higher power batteries - but there's a good chance you won't need to.
you are right!!! im so excited that i overthink the things, i will have to wait till it arrives and experience. thanks for your help!
 

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im trying to find this out at the moment. My testing so far says that high wattage does not necessarily mean bigger clouds, or anything in fact except dead batteries. I could be really wrong here though. I suspect it’s all in the coil you want to use. I’ve been looking for input on this but am not finding much. It is looking more and more like high wattage is mostly useless.
you are right, i will have to test when my mod arrives, thank you for the help!!
 
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As for the recommended wattage thing. Most mods have a lot of adjustment to them as far as setting watts and voltage. However they do have built in voltage limits. They won't work correctly if you try to use them at a voltage higher than the limit. Some won't work correctly at too low of a voltage, but many no a days work pretty well at lower voltages. I am going to guess they are probably not as accurate though.

Most mods are designed to work well between 4-6 volts. Some a bit higher, some lower. The recommended wattage you see on coils is the wattage that will keep you in the 4-6 volt range with that resistance coil.

The .3 ohm coil that came with my speeder kit is rated for 60-75 watts. It won't even work below 40 watts. It simply won't get hot enough to produce vapor. That is ok though because I hate that tank lol.
 

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As for the recommended wattage thing. Most mods have a lot of adjustment to them as far as setting watts and voltage. However they do have built in voltage limits. They won't work correctly if you try to use them at a voltage higher than the limit. Some won't work correctly at too low of a voltage, but many no a days work pretty well at lower voltages. I am going to guess they are probably not as accurate though.

Most mods are designed to work well between 4-6 volts. Some a bit higher, some lower. The recommended wattage you see on coils is the wattage that will keep you in the 4-6 volt range with that resistance coil.

The .3 ohm coil that came with my speeder kit is rated for 60-75 watts. It won't even work below 40 watts. It simply won't get hot enough to produce vapor. That is ok though because I hate that tank lol.
thanks for the help!! i was thinking that if the athos tank is for 100 to 120 watts the lower wattage will be 80 wats.
thanks again for the help!
 
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