Atomizers, long term storage (too many opinions)

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g123456e

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I have searched this forum and cannot decide on who is correct concerning long term atty storage. I, like many others, am trying to store up e cig parts in case I can not get them later and need to know how to store attys.
For the one's that have a warranty, I have tested and then dripped some vg on to make sure they are wet but have not put them away yet. Some, that don't have a warranty still have the primer on them.

Some people say storing with vg is bad because it can gum up the atty. Is that true even if the atty is new and only has a couple of drips on them for storage? Should I vape the vg off and use pg instead? I don't have any straight pg yet. Can I use unflavored pg w/nicotine for this?

Some say the primer itself is enough to store them if not tested.

Some say store dry.

Thanks in advance for your reply.
 

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In general, its thought that storing them with a bit of PG or VG is best, to protect the electronic and plastics against corrosion. As for VG clogging them up, it won't clog them up if they aren't used, and they can always be flushed with hot water and dried before getting into routine use. I personally don't use them for checking about warranty issues, I just keep them sealed and store them as such, as they are primed. I've never had a DOA, so I might be making a risk, but they are primed and sealed, and I think that state is the best long-term storage environment.

The bottom line is there haven't been a lot of attys that have been stored for several years and then put into usage...they haven't been around that long. So we don't really have good data just yet. And I've had some that I stored for months dry after they were used a lot and became too sluggish to use, and were brought back to full life with proper cleaning. They were in a sealed pill jar though.

Not sure priming them with nic juice is the best idea. Nic can over the long term actually break down some plastics, so it might do similar things with some adhesives used in attys. But again, I don't think anyone really knows for sure. I certainly don't. I prefer just sticking the box of sealed attys in a ziplock and leaving them as is until I need to use them.
 

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A further note on storage from the perspective of an engineer with experience of electrolytic corrosion in metals and alloys in harsh environment service.

The heating element in an ecig is nichrome wire, as found in your toaster. It needs to get hot, and in an ecig to do so while exposed to liquids of uncertain constitution, without degrading. It needs to be resistant to corrosion at very high temperatures in a liquid environment - which is a tough call.

If you look at the Galvanic Series you can see that nichrome is a very noble alloy, that is to say it is almost inert for many purposes, meaning it is highly corrosion resistant. Nichrome wire is similar to cupronickel in that it is almost as inert as titanium - and in practice, as against theory, performs better than stainless steels.

Nevertheless we should try and store it in as dry and oxygen-depleted atmosphere as possible - ie with no liquid, as if there is any water content in the liquid, it may lead to electrolytic corrosion (a type of corrosion due to small electrical currents flowing through the liquid) or oxidation (corrosion due to oxygen reaction with the metals). We can ignore oxidation as nichrome is so inert (and in any case it forms an oxide shield if left undisturbed) but it might pay to try and eliminate electrolytic corrosion if you are talking about storing an atty for many years. And of course, don't leave a battery connected...

Therefore here are the theoretical optimum storage options in order of preference. Theory is just that - it is often hard or impossible to achieve in practice, and perhaps not even necessary.

Method 1
Clean all liquids out of the atty by using the preferred method for nichrome which is acid-bath cleaning. This involves dilute hydrochloric acid for the metal itself, but since there are other materials present in an atomizer, dilute acetic acid (vinegar) or citric acid (lemon juice) look like a better idea. Apply for 10 seconds, rinse very well, blow out any liquid, dry out over gentle heat. Alternatively, use whatever cleaning method you prefer, such as alcohol, denture cleaner or hydrogen peroxide. A short immersion seems a good idea as there are various other materials in an atty, not just the tough alloy. If you know how to do a dry burn safely then use that, before and after the liquid clean.

Using a vacuum food sealing machine in a warm dry room, seal the warm dry attys in a vacuum-packed plastic wrap. Repeat for a double-pack seal. The food sealer machines can be bought for about $50 and up (Walmart have one at $25, though most are about $100), and don't forget to buy some spare plastic sheet refill. [I have one I use for expedition food supplies packaging, it's extremely useful if you need it. Not much demand for one in downtown Croydon though :) ]

Method 2
Clean and dry the attys as before. In a very warm and dry room, leave out overnight the attys, several ziplock bags and a dessicant pack as found in new camera packaging. Next day package up the attys like this: place the attys and hygroscopic pack (the dessicant) in a ziplock bag and carefully expel all the air by part-sealing it and rolling the air out using a cushion or other soft but firm pressure pad. Seal the pack, place it inside another and do the same. Seal the pack, and repeat.

You need at least three packs to have it covered, as these plastic bags are porous - you can test this easily by putting some liquid curry inside one. Clean the outside of the bag scrupulously well. Now sniff the bag - you can smell the curry. The bag is porous at a molecular level, which means water vapor can easily get in, if the larger molecules of curry aroma can get out. And water vapor loves to get in everywhere by osmosis (seeping through a barrier), that's what it does best.

Method 3
Don't clean the attys, leave the primer fluid in there, and pack however you like, as above preferably.


OK - method #1 is obviously the best as it removes any corrosion potential. Unfortunately it's pie in the sky for most people, unless you know someone with a food sealer or can shell out a few bucks. This method is good for about 500 years or so.

Method #2 is pretty good and should work for most people most of the time. It's good enough.

Method #3 will also work and is proven to do so - it's just not the best in theory; but nichrome is tough stuff anyway.

Pack your attys, batteries and carts all completely separate.

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