ATTENTION all V4Lers (customers) please read and understand

[Lightgeoduck]

Now this is not for everyone because there are some great fellow consumers here....so here it goes....

NOTE:This is to the part of the sum not a sum of the whole.
NOTE: This is in no way a reflection of the V4L staff.

Yes I maybe overbearing, and yes I may seem to cause "drama" but I always try to call it as I see it....never more never less.... this isn't an enemy thing that some people turned it into the other supplier customers did it as well I would guess. but it isn't about them its about the posters here on V4L

VK followers were making claims...that viewers were questioning... and maybe I challenged those claims a little more boldly, but I know I was speaking what some were curious but were afraid to ask.....

Understand people shop around and not everyone is dedicated to one supplier
some are leery "crossing over to the otherside" because of guilt maybe breaking a loyalty that people tend to build, or becomes too personal with the supplier and feels like its cheating buying somewhere else......

You may not realize this but some of your posts that seemed to support actually hurt... not the business but a potential consumer

who didn't understand why the questions were sooo taboo.... or didn't even ask because they saw what has happened..... and NO it wasn't me. I did not once bash V4L I only question claimed by the consumer and in a forum base setting that means something because the consumers opinions matter over the suppliers.

Please understand if you are willing to open your eyes a bit(again not intended for everyone and not singling out) you will see this forum is bigger than just the V4L or any other suppliers subform. and if you know how to navigate you will see who is who and what is what....
You may think I shoot from the hip but I watch and try to be fair... yes I slip too and make mistakes

I am on nobody's side but the consumer's I am satisfied with my past dealings with Mark and Steve and I do share that info with others... but I just don't fluff anything an ecig is an ecig
and people have different tastes

yes if we the reader don't like what is said then get out.....which isn't a good attitude anyway....NOBODY NEEDS to be shoved down strawman doctrine and when questioned damned to the underworlds (yes exaggeration to make a point)when the fact is a simple comment would be enough...

YOU May think that all of this stays in this small V4L box but tons of people view but do not post... members of ECF and not... and though your intentions may be good you really don't get it.....

Yes call me what you will, but people know lgd and they already have.. and I try to grow from it.....

no need to reply I hope it doesn't get deleted and I ask for this thread to be locked.

 

[Symmetric]

Can you please reference one, just one post where someone has said "you made a mistake ordering XXX, you should have gotten a Vapor King" in a situation where someone was happy with their PV, and I (and I hope everyone else) will acknowledge that you are really watchdogging and not trolling.

thanks

 

[spirit]

Duck - while many may appreciate your attempt to inform the public of the "truth". Most adults posting on forums and the internet SHOULD be aware that all of this is opinion based and nothing more. As mature people (over 18) we should be able to take care of ourselves. Thanks for your concern, though.

 

[JenJen]

Are you so important that a thread like this needs to be locked? Perhaps we should also sticky it at the top as well! (kidding)

I am sticking with V4L because I am a satisfied customer period. Could I get the same stuff for cheaper? Perhaps, but the few times I have bought elsewhere the "same stuff" wasn't the same. That goes for parts and carts. And I am not the only person who has noticed that. That is my opinion and last time I checked, it is still a free country and I am entitled to it. And if someone starts a post asking for advice on what to give, I don't see why I can't post my opinions like everyone else does.

Maybe it's love, but the stuff I get from V4L has outdone everything else I have ordered from anyone out there. If his prices are a bit higher then some, I have seen cartos for as high as $14.95 from other vendors so they definately aren't the highest. And I have never gotten the customer service and "extras" that I have gotten from V4L. Getting a package from V4L is like Christmas! lol And the smilin 10% off every order every day kind of evens it out.

I don't need to shop around, I have found my soft spot and it is V4L. So call me a sheep, I am fine with that!

 

[Coughinail]

dude did you miss your meds or what

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Can you please reference one, just one post where someone has said "you made a mistake ordering XXX, you should have gotten a Vapor King" in a situation where someone was happy with their PV, and I (and I hope everyone else) will acknowledge that you are really watchdogging and not trolling.

thanks

Sym I hope people realize i am not trolling either,and if you expect me to answer that than I am sorry that you misunderstand my intent.

Duck - while many may appreciate your attempt to inform the public of the "truth". Most adults posting on forums and the internet SHOULD be aware that all of this is opinion based and nothing more. As mature people (over 18) we should be able to take care of ourselves. Thanks for your concern, though.

Yes that is true we are all adults, but seeing alot I mean alot of new member questions it seems like alot were like me not know the difference between an ecig and a flashlight... so yes people are able to take care of themselves but alot of people depend on others for advice.... and if someone makes a claim of fact with out really knowing and though the end result is still benificial it is still misguiding.... that is just how I feel and I can go on and on about how I got to have these views,, but I feel people think I talk enough. hehe

 

[Lightgeoduck]

dude did you miss your meds or what

Yeah, I left them at your moms

a useless post to a useless post

and I say GOOD DAY to THAT

 

[JenJen]

Yes that is true we are all adults, but seeing alot I mean alot of new member questions it seems like alot were like me not know the difference between an ecig and a flashlight... so yes people are able to take care of themselves but alot of people depend on others for advice.... and if someone makes a claim of fact with out really knowing and though the end result is still benificial it is still misguiding.... that is just how I feel and I can go on and on about how I got to have these views,, but I feel people think I talk enough. hehe

So I guess if someone asks "What ecig should I get?" we should refrain from giving our opinion? Personally, I would have loved it if someone had pointed me to V4L before I invested hundreds (and I mean HUNDREDS) of dollars on the 510. I am truly thankful that I saw posts from Phoenix, Sym and others and decided to take the plunge!

And bottom line, there have not been many who have bought from V4L and regretted it has there? Am I missing something here?

 

[Lightgeoduck]

So I guess if someone asks "What ecig should I get?" we should refrain from giving our opinion? Personally, I would have loved it if someone had pointed me to V4L before I invested hundreds (and I mean HUNDREDS) of dollars on the 510. I am truly thankful that I saw posts from Phoenix, Sym and others and decided to take the plunge!

And bottom line, there have not been many who have bought from V4L and regretted it has there? Am I missing something here?

Again I am not talking about opinions I am talking about Hard Facts... there is of course nothing wrong with promoting
a product we all know that and JenJen you of all people should know I questioned peoples factual claims and not there opinion I mean you read and post on just about every V4L thread... good heartedly

 

[GeeYourHairSmellsTerrific]

Well Geoduck, you've certainly encouraged everyone to question and shop with intelligence. If that was your goal you've succeeded in making people think a bit. I understand that you feel a personal calling to make people better consumers. So congrats to you, got 'er done here on the VK.

I for one am delighted to be off the analogs, whether I am vaping a VK or another KR808D-1, or a screwdriver, wouldn't really matter much. V4L has great customer service clearly. So do some other companies, and I'm delighted for their customers too. Lots of people see plenty of advantages to the VK and the other cartomizer type PV's.

So again, we're all good here, whether we "baaa" a bit or not is probably truly the concern of the individual and not a biggie to you. Or so I would think.

Enjoy your PV's, both VK and what have you.

Hey maybe you should try a google of "forums for amateur debaters". I'm thinking you would be utterly brilliant at it and find plenty of people there who would have true and sincere appreciation for your talents.

Enjoy all your interests to the max!

 

[Lightgeoduck]

So again, we're all good here, whether we "baaa" a bit or not is probably truly the concern of the individual and not a biggie to you. Or so I would think.

HeHe Thanks. Yeah we're all good here even if I "bark" a bit or do I "quack" I don't know-even if my avatar is my screenname isn't even a duck hehe

 

[shall]

I would tend to agree with you. I am a new client of Steve's and new to the E-Cig world. I read this forum front to back before I decided that my 1st one would be a VK. I read tons of what I believe to be personal thoughts about the VK (trade secrets so I may never know). I know we have some posts about batteries having 2 holes some having 4 holes and the breakdown of carts, ect... I’m not writing this to prove or disprove that Steve has an edge over other similar retailers.
IF Steve has customers that are taking personal thoughts and trying to pass them off as facts, well Steve has a huge problem and it will hurt him.
However I didn’t buy mine because of this. I think its save to say that Steve has a very popular forum, and very loyal customers. That alone speaks for its self, whether its fact or personal belief Steve has customers that will go out of their way to defend and promote his product. That is what sold me and that’s why I’m V4L 4L or till I can get past customs and become a supplier myself LOL
After buying my Vapor King, I know this is all I will ever need!

 

[Cimyss]

Geoduck Im sorry I like your idea of informing people of FACTS but you seem to be neglegting a few yourself, and that in the long run is hurting your arguement.
Peoples likes and dislikes are in Fact.... Facts! They are quite important facts as well to themselves.
Fact I like Gravy. Fact I hate liver.
now my Fact in no way reflects upon your Fact of how you feel about gravy or liver. but nethertheless they are still in Fact... Facts!
So just because someone is stating what are Facts to them doesn't mean you have to take them as your own!
Some In Fact... Facts are Facts of perspective. they have nothign at all whatso ever with data facts or materials facts.
And here in lies your problem. Not to slam you, I hope you will understand I am not, and not makign fun of you either.
But just because perspective facts are not the the same as facts of data or materials doesn't mean they TOTALLY need to be excluded and are irrelivant. and this is where customer reviews come into play. for example
5000 people sayign they all like a product and have only had good dealings about said product or with a particular company does not mean they are all brainwashed even if there is not one bad review. It means 5000 people liked the product enough to get involved and write a good review and no one had a bad enough time with said product or company to write a bad review. And that definately doesn't hurt that product or that company. and has nothign whatso ever to do with weather or not said company owner is buying parts in china or jamica. or weather or not he had peanut butter and jelly for lunch.
So even though there are no data facts or materials facts that you can wrap your head arround please take the time to admit there are other facts at play that you haven't noticed yet. ( posting from other post in case you havent read it yet you may notice now how relevant THese facts are )
SO you guys want some FACTS? ( I only know about V4L so sorry if it is all about them)
1. People who are dishonest tend to believe others are dishonest, and treat others that way accordingly! If Steve was this type of person wouldn't he at least demand his product back before shipping new to just anyone who said my battery is broke? Or my carts taste funny or were duds?
2. No Other Company will replace like this! And most will not for cartomizers or juice at all! Check out their warranty.
3. Steve does have outstanding customer service, In all the 11000 and over posts not one person has been dissatisfied compleately AND if there is any Disatisfaction at all Steve does fix it right away! This is a fact.
4. The V4L has the highest number of people citeing good posts about the product vrs negative ones then any other kr808D-1 on this ECF forum site. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ ( look for yourself) current post of v4l is over 11000 and nhailer for example only has 5000 ( not to slam nhailer)
( just look down the left hand side). And Nhailer has been arround longer (so go figure).
( my own thought is IF this is the same product then people would be having the same experiance and they would be having the same reviews RIGHT???)

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Geoduck Im sorry I like your idea of informing people of FACTS but you seem to be neglegting a few yourself, and that in the long run is hurting your arguement.
Peoples likes and dislikes are in Fact.... Facts! They are quite important facts as well to themselves.
Fact I like Gravy. Fact I hate liver.
now my Fact in no way reflects upon your Fact of how you feel about gravy or liver. but nethertheless they are still in Fact... Facts!
So just because someone is stating what are Facts to them doesn't mean you have to take them as your own!
Some In Fact... Facts are Facts of perspective. they have nothign at all whatso ever with data facts or materials facts.
And here in lies your problem. Not to slam you, I hope you will understand I am not, and not makign fun of you either.
But just because perspective facts are not the the same as facts of data or materials doesn't mean they TOTALLY need to be excluded and are irrelivant. and this is where customer reviews come into play. for example
5000 people sayign they all like a product and have only had good dealings about said product or with a particular company does not mean they are all brainwashed even if there is not one bad review. It means 5000 people liked the product enough to get involved and write a good review and no one had a bad enough time with said product or company to write a bad review. And that definately doesn't hurt that product or that company. and has nothign whatso ever to do with weather or not said company owner is buying parts in china or jamica. or weather or not he had peanut butter and jelly for lunch.
So even though there are no data facts or materials facts that you can wrap your head arround please take the time to admit there are other facts at play that you haven't noticed yet. ( posting from other post in case you havent read it yet you may notice now how relevant THese facts are )
SO you guys want some FACTS? ( I only know about V4L so sorry if it is all about them) read other thread deleted to save space

I agree with what you say and those FACTS are by no means what I was questioning... and I stated so a plethora of times and those statements are exempt from any of my "DRAMA" and to make clear again perspective facts are not the subject of my "RANTS" its the data Facts that is the problem. I am not disputing weather one likes liver or not, but ones claim that their liver has more protein than the others.... Just clarifing no other intention intended

 

[Cimyss]

it is possible that that liver might have more protien , depending on what the farmer was feeding his cow but we don't ask the farmer what he feeds his cow and we don't expect an answer that would be specific either. Most people would acept grass.
we don't have to know that the cow ate 10 types of grass the particular amount of each, and how much of it was actually digested just to belive him.
The only people this would be of any use too would be competitor farmers.
But the people buying the liver from said farmer over the other farmer respect his secret grass recipe, even if they do from time to time buy liver from the other farmer.
You don't expect a full discloser from Mcdonalds to give their secrets to Burger King do you and vice versa and because they won't you don't buy a big mac do you?

 

[SanMan]

All I know is, I'm a happy customer.
I read many 'earlier' posts here; saw some reasons for concern, at times...
and I've seen the same in other forums as well. What I noticed most
was the preponderance of 'good' opinions "right now" with Steve and V4L.

And that's kinda all that really matters to me... is that I'm happy 'right now'.
I've seen claims made, here and elsewhere, that I know not to be 100%.
Typically, it's by customers, who either don't know, or have simply misunderstood.

On one of the other popular kr808d1 supplier's sites, I also saw claims made
by the owner, concerning a particular kit being cheaper than everywhere
else, which was only true because nobody else offered that exact 'kit'.
(Add in an extra carrying case, or any other option to match another supplier's kit, and it's quite evident that, in reality, it was around the same price, or even more, in some cases, after adding in a higher shipping fee.)

Heck, they even have one right now listed as the "the best deal around" for a pcc, battery, and 2 carts. Hmm... V4L has a pcc, battery and 5 carts for 5 cents less. But nobody's over there trying to get out 'the facts' on his claims of having the best deal. I just find that odd. That's all.

I also find it a bit sad, too... because I truly don't want to deal directly with these
manufacturers myself. I would never be able to meet their requirements or minimums. (I may have checked into it )

True enough that the stuff's dirt cheap that way, but I just don't see me
vaping in nearly enough quantity to justify it, and I certainly don't want the
hassles and headaches of being a supplier, myself. No thank you very much.

I hope Steve and V4L are around for a long time, but if they're not... I'd
like to think there was another supplier or three that I can get my stuff
from, that isn't a crook, and that isn't way overboard on pricing.
It won't be from anyone whose fanboi's are over here just to stir up trouble... that's for sure.
Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Like a big ole whoppin hit of a 36mg "Pure Crap" cart, or something.


Yeah, I ramble all over. Just be thankful it doesn't happen too often

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Ok,,, my last post for this session
Cimyss I wasn't trying to get into an analogy debate I was only using your analogy to explain the intent of my message not to go back and forth about

So I will allow myself to get sucked in one more time...then I have to say good day to that....

It would be great if that was the situation.. but it isn't one farmers liver over another farmers liver its more like different grocery stores buy their liver from an outsourced farmer.... and claiming if it is one farmer or different farmers being outsourced. or if the outsourced farmer is feeding different cows different grass.... NOW we can go on and on about what these darn farmers are doing....because any number of possibilities could be true..... and again my issue is a customer saying that the grocer is doing (insert) to their liver and noone else is...and not having first hand knowledge of the claim.

So I am sorry Cimyss you are a great person, but I really don't know how to explain it any more than I already have.... I fully see what you are saying... but it really isn't what I am talking about...

Soo with that I really do have to say Good Day too That..

it is possible that that liver might have more protien , depending on what the farmer was feeding his cow but we don't ask the farmer what he feeds his cow and we don't expect an answer that would be specific either. Most people would acept grass.
we don't have to know that the cow ate 10 types of grass the particular amount of each, and how much of it was actually digested just to belive him.
The only people this would be of any use too would be competitor farmers.
But the people buying the liver from said farmer over the other farmer respect his secret grass recipe, even if they do from time to time buy liver from the other farmer.
You don't expect a full discloser from Mcdonalds to give their secrets to Burger King do you and vice versa and because they won't you don't buy a big mac do you?

 

[Lightgeoduck]

Sandman

That is great to hear and if you read the OP your statement doesn't imply...meaning
You are just a satisfied customer that is fortunate to find what works for you.
AND spreading comments like that is what should be done. and Honestly that is great to hear
Just to let you know not all places are as shotty as you have mentioned with the price and claims... but yes I would steer clear of them as well.. and by the by the competition looks on these open posts as well and vise versa so this can imply to them as well

 

[spirit]

As I said before, we're all adults here and can make our own decisions about what to vape, buy, believe, trust, like, dislike, read, etc, etc, etc. All I can say is....if you don't like people singing the praises of Vapor King on the V4L subforum, maybe you should go somewhere else. At least I have the option to ignore.

 

[Scottbee]

Geoduck Im sorry I like your idea of informing people of FACTS but you seem to be neglegting a few yourself, and that in the long run is hurting your arguement.
Peoples likes and dislikes are in Fact.... Facts! They are quite important facts as well to themselves.

3. Steve does have outstanding customer service, In all the 11000 and over posts not one person has been dissatisfied compleately AND if there is any Disatisfaction at all Steve does fix it right away! This is a fact.

Sorry Cimyss... I know you are a big fan of V4L and you have received wonderful service and support from them. But it is wrong of you to state as FACT that everyone has. I'll even go a step further. I can state as FACT that your #3 line is completely incorrect.