ATTN! If you took the "Ecig User Poll" PLEASE READ!!
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No problem! Participation is completely voluntary.
We can just delete you from the survey results if you don't email me. Anyone who doesn't register with me will just not have their results included in the survey paper results and be deleted from the poll. (But we obviously want as many results as possible.) Sorry, it just has to be that way - I have to convert the poll into a valid survey or no one will take it seriously.
If it helps any, I am fully transparent online - my info is available on my articles and on the CASAA website, as I am a charter CASAA board member and serve as secretary. I'm not really some anonymous forum person and I will not share your info in any way - I just have to have it on record.
You could include full results and the verified ones as well. I think many would understand why some people (including myself) don't give out information online. Fact is, like the phone companies and banks, if for some reason the gov't wants the information, they would get them and you'd have to give them up. You're collecting this information to use against a gov't that is attempting to use force against us basically. QED...
I'm not allowed to PM people without their permission, due to my new "accessories supplier" status. So that's why I'm counting on you all (and this thread) to get the word out for me!
That's why I'm not taking any real specific info - no full birth dates or addresses and why I'm not asking people to post it online. Just enough info to show that it's real people. The age and location is for demographical statistics.
I'll tell you what - I'll leave the poll on ECF as it is and only use the verified results in my survey paper. However, just to be cler, the ECF poll will hold no weight with the "powers that be" and can't be used as true, statistical data.
This isn't just for the government/FDA - it's for people to take into city council meetings when antis want to ban indoor vaping or try to ban sales, to link to when posting comments regarding negative, uninformed articles, to show employers, to show the "save the children" groups and to show people considering vaping. It should have a huge range of applications - but only if it's more than just a forum poll.
And if the government wants the information - wouldn't you want them to have it?? Most of us are already signing petitions and contacting our government officials in an attempt to get through to them. If we hide behind forum usernames, they will never take us seriously. I would only give up the names if ordered legally to do so - and I can't really see why that would happen. None of the questions have any legal ramifications that I can see - one of the reasons "Use blackmarket ecigs" wasn't a choice on the survey for question #7.
PS. I'll only use the email if I have to clarify your information - for example, one person forgot to give me their username, so I can't verify his answers and had to email him. Otherwise, the email address will not be used.
Email sent.
I really appreciate all the hard work you do to help all of us. As far as I'm concerned you quickly became a wonderful asset to ECF as soon as you joined. You had no problems jumping in and getting started. Thanks again.
I really appreciate all the hard work you do to help all of us. As far as I'm concerned you quickly became a wonderful asset to ECF as soon as you joined. You had no problems jumping in and getting started. Thanks again.
kristin:That's why I'm not taking any real specific info - no full birth dates or addresses and why I'm not asking people to post it online. Just enough info to show that it's real people. The age and location is for demographical statistics.
I'll tell you what - I'll leave the poll on ECF as it is and only use the verified results in my survey paper. However, just to be cler, the ECF poll will hold no weight with the "powers that be" and can't be used as true, statistical data.
This isn't just for the government/FDA - it's for people to take into city council meetings when antis want to ban indoor vaping or try to ban sales, to link to when posting comments regarding negative, uninformed articles, to show employers, to show the "save the children" groups and to show people considering vaping. It should have a huge range of applications - but only if it's more than just a forum poll.
I understand and you should definitely continue along your way with it. Just suggesting that as an aside you could also link to the full poll - my guess is that the ratios will be the same anyway, it would just be a larger sampling.
And if the government wants the information - wouldn't you want them to have it??
No.
Most of us are already signing petitions and contacting our government officials in an attempt to get through to them.
I'd say 'a lot of you' are, probably not 'most of us'. And I can understand why you might think why that might be helpful.
If we hide behind forum usernames, they will never take us seriously. I would only give up the names if ordered legally to do so - and I can't really see why that would happen. None of the questions have any legal ramifications that I can see - one of the reasons "Use blackmarket ecigs" wasn't a choice on the survey for question #7.
Just to give you one example that actually happened recently and was supposedly "corrected" - is that the current administration put out to support groups to turn in the names and emails of people on forums that were against their current health care plan. The idea - as it was intended was to contact those people and get them to inform them and change their minds and in fact, some people were contacted with that intent. These were people that happened to go on a forum and were in no way connected to the policies nor had ever contributed to the President's campaign and yet through this manner, were contacted by the staff.
And it had nothing to do with doing anything illegal, only that they disagreed with the President's policies.
I won't even get into what has happened in history as to people gathering names of people that disagreed with the then leaders of certain countries.
My only point here was that I didn't think it would be a problem to include the whole poll for those that may understand why people either didn't want to include any personal information or couldn't be contacted. And to remind people that no matter what a person (not just you) would say they wouldn't divulge information when the gov't wants it they will get it. They could also likely get that info if they traced down each user ID but it would be a lot easier getting it from a central source.
I'll tell you what - I'll leave the poll on ECF as it is and only use the verified results in my survey paper. However, just to be cler, the ECF poll will hold no weight with the "powers that be" and can't be used as true, statistical data.
This isn't just for the government/FDA - it's for people to take into city council meetings when antis want to ban indoor vaping or try to ban sales, to link to when posting comments regarding negative, uninformed articles, to show employers, to show the "save the children" groups and to show people considering vaping. It should have a huge range of applications - but only if it's more than just a forum poll.
I understand and you should definitely continue along your way with it. Just suggesting that as an aside you could also link to the full poll - my guess is that the ratios will be the same anyway, it would just be a larger sampling.
And if the government wants the information - wouldn't you want them to have it??
No.
Most of us are already signing petitions and contacting our government officials in an attempt to get through to them.
I'd say 'a lot of you' are, probably not 'most of us'. And I can understand why you might think why that might be helpful.
If we hide behind forum usernames, they will never take us seriously. I would only give up the names if ordered legally to do so - and I can't really see why that would happen. None of the questions have any legal ramifications that I can see - one of the reasons "Use blackmarket ecigs" wasn't a choice on the survey for question #7.
Just to give you one example that actually happened recently and was supposedly "corrected" - is that the current administration put out to support groups to turn in the names and emails of people on forums that were against their current health care plan. The idea - as it was intended was to contact those people and get them to inform them and change their minds and in fact, some people were contacted with that intent. These were people that happened to go on a forum and were in no way connected to the policies nor had ever contributed to the President's campaign and yet through this manner, were contacted by the staff.
And it had nothing to do with doing anything illegal, only that they disagreed with the President's policies.
I won't even get into what has happened in history as to people gathering names of people that disagreed with the then leaders of certain countries.
My only point here was that I didn't think it would be a problem to include the whole poll for those that may understand why people either didn't want to include any personal information or couldn't be contacted. And to remind people that no matter what a person (not just you) would say they wouldn't divulge information when the gov't wants it they will get it. They could also likely get that info if they traced down each user ID but it would be a lot easier getting it from a central source.
Ok, I get your concern.
The only problem is that so many people missed answering questions on the poll, it has skewed the percentages and makes it impossible to cross-reference. For example, 100% answered question #1 about whether or not they smoked before vaping, but only 96% answered if they use tobacco or flavors primarily and only 97% of the respondants answered #4 about how much they smoke now. I can't cross reference them at all and it skews the percentages of question #1. I can't use those respondant's information, because they aren't included in all of the stats. That is why I kept stressing answering all of the questions and why I have to delete those folks who didn't from the results - they didn't complete the poll.
If I link back to the original poll, it makes it look like my stats are wrong or doctored.
The only problem is that so many people missed answering questions on the poll, it has skewed the percentages and makes it impossible to cross-reference. For example, 100% answered question #1 about whether or not they smoked before vaping, but only 96% answered if they use tobacco or flavors primarily and only 97% of the respondants answered #4 about how much they smoke now. I can't cross reference them at all and it skews the percentages of question #1. I can't use those respondant's information, because they aren't included in all of the stats. That is why I kept stressing answering all of the questions and why I have to delete those folks who didn't from the results - they didn't complete the poll.
If I link back to the original poll, it makes it look like my stats are wrong or doctored.
kristin:Ok, I get your concern.
Good.
The only problem is that so many people missed answering questions on the poll, it has skewed the percentages and makes it impossible to cross-reference. For example, 100% answered question #1 about whether or not they smoked before vaping, but only 96% answered if they use tobacco or flavors primarily and only 97% of the respondants answered #4 about how much they smoke now. I can't cross reference them at all and it skews the percentages of question #1.
Ah! Yep, those that agree should fill that out. I get your concern there ;-)
I can't use those respondant's information, because they aren't included in all of the stats. That is why I kept stressing answering all of the questions and why I have to delete those folks who didn't from the results - they didn't complete the poll.
If I link back to the original poll, it makes it look like my stats are wrong or doctored.
Got it.
Good.
The only problem is that so many people missed answering questions on the poll, it has skewed the percentages and makes it impossible to cross-reference. For example, 100% answered question #1 about whether or not they smoked before vaping, but only 96% answered if they use tobacco or flavors primarily and only 97% of the respondants answered #4 about how much they smoke now. I can't cross reference them at all and it skews the percentages of question #1.
Ah! Yep, those that agree should fill that out. I get your concern there ;-)
I can't use those respondant's information, because they aren't included in all of the stats. That is why I kept stressing answering all of the questions and why I have to delete those folks who didn't from the results - they didn't complete the poll.
If I link back to the original poll, it makes it look like my stats are wrong or doctored.
Got it.
ok and done.
doing something, is better than doing nothing.
i cant help feeling that untill the people that have the money, want to have all the money, and keep getting the money, get money from PVs, e-liquids, that this is ( is fight to antagisntic?) as hard as any legal rights defense could be.
doing something, is better than doing nothing.
i cant help feeling that untill the people that have the money, want to have all the money, and keep getting the money, get money from PVs, e-liquids, that this is ( is fight to antagisntic?) as hard as any legal rights defense could be.
I wonder if someone with a big brane can find a way to run a script of some kind to automatically send a PM to anyone who has voted in the poll? As an IT guy, it doesn't seem it would be that hard.
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