Avoiding PG!!! Can We Use Other VG Dilution Liquids?

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Any issues with hot vaping or low vapour production with your max VG/DW?
LOL maybe use the reply function instead of keyboard arrow. I've seen recipes using up to 20% dw. It is doable, better suited for tootling at that high a percentage. I enjoy a cool vape so, no hotter isn't an issue and clouds are present, just not as creamy looking. It is still a high vg mix.
 

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ok thanks. i will put this info into some diy and see how it goes
Have fun :). Don’t get discouraged if you make something awful. Everyone does at least a few times. It doesn’t take much water to thin out VG quite a bit. I suggest starting at the low end myself. You don’t need more than you need after all. The high end is usually for producing “stealth” juice. PG+h2o produces almost no visible vapor so it is good for vaping on the sly.
 

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Have fun :). Don’t get discouraged if you make something awful. Everyone does at least a few times. It doesn’t take much water to thin out VG quite a bit. I suggest starting at the low end myself. You don’t need more than you need after all. The high end is usually for producing “stealth” juice. PG+h2o produces almost no visible vapor so it is good for vaping on the sly.

Lol, I'm cursing you for cursing me right now. I have no fall back juice as I'll be running out by the time my first DIY steeps a little so I have no room for error or I'll be paying another visit to my overpriced local shop.
 

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Lol, I'm cursing you for cursing me right now. I have no fall back juice as I'll be running out by the time my first DIY steeps a little so I have no room for error or I'll be paying another visit to my overpriced local shop.
the bright side is even if it doesn't taste great it will generally still work. plus you will probably be lucky.
 

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Lol, I'm cursing you for cursing me right now. I have no fall back juice as I'll be running out by the time my first DIY steeps a little so I have no room for error or I'll be paying another visit to my overpriced local shop.
have you tried the ultra sonic cleaner method? Mine can do a 2 week steep in 4hrs with a 24hr breathe/rest in the middle. Aroma changes slightly but flavour is pretty much exactly the same.
 

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So lots of info floating around here I guess. I used close to max VG for a long time as I am PG sensitive.

The recommendation of adding DW if you are PG sensitive is a good one. VG actually has a lower boiling point than water, unless I've forgotten everything that I have been told about it. I started using 10% DW in my mixes, and everything other than flavors was VG. It helped immensely with tank temperatures, wicking and even flavor (which I wasn't expecting to happen, but IMO as VG is not a great flavor carrier, I could see almost any sort of dilution working.)

With that said, going over 10% is more likely to give you a sort of anemic vape, is the consensus. I will say it didn't do a TON to my VG fog, honestly, not compared to being able to add a substantial amount of anything else. I'd say my VG "clouds" were probably LEAST impacted. I've tried using a smidge of vodka but I'm not a huge fan of alcohols in my vape. What helped most with the cloudiness was an air purifier.

Slightly LESS than 10% can be used, so you can certainly play around with percentages. Using some DW if you can't tolerate PG has a lot more benefits that it does downsides. My coils last longer, my tanks don't overheat, etc.

I got (and used a few days to check for sensitivities and whatnot, which I don't have) some PEG400 and based on what I read about it, it's safe (apart from the possibility of getting sensitive to it, same as PG) but I would tell anyone trying more unusual methods in their DIY if needed, to do the research on your own, it's your body. I didn't find anything alarming and plan to test my first batch tomorrow probably but I'm very happy that I have it as an option to try.

Best of luck, and there's nothing magic about nic salts, either. They perform the same as freebase when mixing and almost everything else, too, other than they're less harsh and (perhaps more easily absorbed, or rapidly, or whatever claim is being made. I haven't really noticed any major differences, I just prefer the lack of nic hit.

If I were first foraying into DIY, I'd say add 5% DW and see how your mix performs. Everyone has their own "sweet spot" with DW, so if you start low and want to add, you can do so, shake, and continue. But DW is safe, and unless overdoing it, may actually result in a preferable vape than max VG (although, you can and I did use "max" VG in some tiny tanks, like the N2, starting out. I gunked my coils more quickly but the actual VG wicked and performed (and overheated, too) just fine.

Best of luck and I hope any of the above was helpful. Start in slow small batches, write everything down as you go, and learn from both your successes and failures. If all my mixes had been "major successes" I wouldn't have learned as much. You will in all likelihood experience both, etc.

Anna
 
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So lots of info floating around here I guess. I used close to max VG for a long time as I am PG sensitive.

The recommendation of adding DW if you are PG sensitive is a good one. VG actually has a HIGHER boiling point than water, unless I've forgotten everything that I have been told about it. I started using 10% DW in my mixes, and everything other than flavors was VG. It helped immensely with tank temperatures, wicking and even flavor (which I wasn't expecting to happen, but IMO as VG is not a great flavor carrier, I could see almost any sort of dilution working.)

With that said, going over 10% is more likely to give you a sort of anemic vape, is the consensus. I will say it didn't do a TON to my VG fog, honestly, not compared to being able to add a substantial amount of anything else. I'd say my VG "clouds" were probably LEAST impacted. I've tried using a smidge of vodka but I'm not a huge fan of alcohols in my vape. What helped most with the cloudiness was an air purifier.

Slightly LESS than 10% can be used, so you can certainly play around with percentages. Using some DW if you can't tolerate PG has a lot more benefits that it does downsides. My coils last longer, my tanks don't overheat, etc.

I got (and used a few days to check for sensitivities and whatnot, which I don't have) some PEG400 and based on what I read about it, it's safe (apart from the possibility of getting sensitive to it, same as PG) but I would tell anyone trying more unusual methods in their DIY if needed, to do the research on your own, it's your body. I didn't find anything alarming and plan to test my first batch tomorrow probably but I'm very happy that I have it as an option to try.

Best of luck, and there's nothing magic about nic salts, either. They perform the same as freebase when mixing and almost everything else, too, other than they're less harsh and (perhaps more easily absorbed, or rapidly, or whatever claim is being made. I haven't really noticed any major differences, I just prefer the lack of nic hit.

If I were first foraying into DIY, I'd say add 5% DW and see how your mix performs. Everyone has their own "sweet spot" with DW, so if you start low and want to add, you can do so, shake, and continue. But DW is safe, and unless overdoing it, may actually result in a preferable vape than max VG (although, you can and I did use "max" VG in some tiny tanks, like the N2, starting out. I gunked my coils more quickly but the actual VG wicked and performed (and overheated, too) just fine.

Best of luck and I hope any of the above was helpful. Start in slow small batches, write everything down as you go, and learn from both your successes and failures. If all my mixes had been "major successes" I wouldn't have learned as much. You will in all likelihood experience both, etc.

Anna
Interesting. I was told boiling was 140f. Wikipedia is listing it as 554f but it’s also listing it’s melting point as 64f which means it should turn solid in the refrigerator which it clearly doesn’t. I suspect bad data somewhere
I do 100% vg with no dilution and never had a wicking issue on a newer tank
Same here. I’m a wick&wire guy though so I figure my experience may not count.
 

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Interesting. I was told boiling was 140f. Wikipedia is listing it as 554f but it’s also listing it’s melting point as 64f which means it should turn solid in the refrigerator which it clearly doesn’t. I suspect bad data somewhere

Same here. I’m a wick&wire guy though so I figure my experience may not count.
I mostly use RDAs but I have a couple tanks. I've never had an issue with drippers wicking, but on some old tanks I have.
 

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have you tried the ultra sonic cleaner method? Mine can do a 2 week steep in 4hrs with a 24hr breathe/rest in the middle. Aroma changes slightly but flavour is pretty much exactly the same.

No, I haven't even gotten my ingredients in yet. Just placed my order yesterday. I did read about some of the quicker steeping methods. If I get in a bind I will give one of those a try with maybe a small bottle to give my others a time to steep naturally. I don't have any real desert flavors but my daughter loves sugar cookie and funnel cake so I got both of those that may require a little bit of time.
 
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So lots of info floating around here I guess. I used close to max VG for a long time as I am PG sensitive.

The recommendation of adding DW if you are PG sensitive is a good one. VG actually has a lower boiling point than water, unless I've forgotten everything that I have been told about it. I started using 10% DW in my mixes, and everything other than flavors was VG. It helped immensely with tank temperatures, wicking and even flavor (which I wasn't expecting to happen, but IMO as VG is not a great flavor carrier, I could see almost any sort of dilution working.)

With that said, going over 10% is more likely to give you a sort of anemic vape, is the consensus. I will say it didn't do a TON to my VG fog, honestly, not compared to being able to add a substantial amount of anything else. I'd say my VG "clouds" were probably LEAST impacted. I've tried using a smidge of vodka but I'm not a huge fan of alcohols in my vape. What helped most with the cloudiness was an air purifier.

Slightly LESS than 10% can be used, so you can certainly play around with percentages. Using some DW if you can't tolerate PG has a lot more benefits that it does downsides. My coils last longer, my tanks don't overheat, etc.

I got (and used a few days to check for sensitivities and whatnot, which I don't have) some PEG400 and based on what I read about it, it's safe (apart from the possibility of getting sensitive to it, same as PG) but I would tell anyone trying more unusual methods in their DIY if needed, to do the research on your own, it's your body. I didn't find anything alarming and plan to test my first batch tomorrow probably but I'm very happy that I have it as an option to try.

Best of luck, and there's nothing magic about nic salts, either. They perform the same as freebase when mixing and almost everything else, too, other than they're less harsh and (perhaps more easily absorbed, or rapidly, or whatever claim is being made. I haven't really noticed any major differences, I just prefer the lack of nic hit.

If I were first foraying into DIY, I'd say add 5% DW and see how your mix performs. Everyone has their own "sweet spot" with DW, so if you start low and want to add, you can do so, shake, and continue. But DW is safe, and unless overdoing it, may actually result in a preferable vape than max VG (although, you can and I did use "max" VG in some tiny tanks, like the N2, starting out. I gunked my coils more quickly but the actual VG wicked and performed (and overheated, too) just fine.

Best of luck and I hope any of the above was helpful. Start in slow small batches, write everything down as you go, and learn from both your successes and failures. If all my mixes had been "major successes" I wouldn't have learned as much. You will in all likelihood experience both, etc.

Anna

Gosh Anna, thanks for all the info. I'm not the OP but I know they appreciate it also. Sounds like we are kind of in the same situation. I'm excited to give this a try though. Hopefully my stuff gets her by Saturday so I can take some time to get a few bottles mixed.
 
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