B&Ms and their prices

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Mr. Anderson

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Why do prices at most B&Ms seem so high? Even the clones seem to be ridiculously priced! For example I was looking at the maraxus which I can get for under $40 on eBay from a US seller, while the local B&M has it priced at $80. I can understand some markup, and I'd be willing to deal with it, but if they buy wholesale wouldn't you think that it would be less than %100?

Even most store bought liquid seems to be super expensive. Okay I'm done now. I feel better.
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It's simple. B&M's have to pay for all the things that online stores don't have to pay for, like leasing the building, maintenance and upkeep of the store, and paying employees an hourly wage.

My local B&M is great, and I know the owner really struggled to get his business off the ground. He generally only charges a couple dollars more for equipment than the prices I see online. I always buy my liquid there, and when I can afford it I'll buy other things there as well, because I want to help keep his business afloat. This town needs it!
 

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It's simple. B&M's have to pay for all the things that online stores don't have to pay for, like leasing the building, maintenance and upkeep of the store, and paying employees an hourly wage.

My local B&M is great, and I know the owner really struggled to get his business off the ground. He generally only charges a couple dollars more for equipment than the prices I see online. I always buy my liquid there, and when I can afford it I'll buy other things there as well, because I want to help keep his business afloat. This town needs it!

I agree. If the B&M is in it for the long haul, then they will set their prices to be just a little over online prices to get repeat business and build a customer base. Of course they have overheads and costs of doing business that they have to pass on to their customers so the prices will never be as good as you can find online.

I go to one particular B&M about 2 hours from me that charges reasonable prices and has a good selection. Often I will swing buy and get a bottle of juice or a battery - knowing I am paying a little more than I need to, but supporting them.

I also research. If I am looking for something in particular, I will research online and know the spread of prices out there. Then go to the the B&M and talk to the manager or owner. Oftentimes he will price match it to within a few dollars. I get the item immediately, he makes a few bucks - we are both happy. I don't pressure him or tell him his prices are too high or anything, just a respectful request.

I think it's quite obvious which ones are just in it to make a quick killing and have no sustainable business model. They are the ones you should steer well clear of.
 

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All B&M's not just vape shops are trying to compete with the online vendors. Even the "shop local" mentality isn't changing the face of this dynamic. The B&M caters to those who need information ( and are not willing to study the info found on this site for example) and those who ran out of juice or who want something right now. I got my education here several years before a B&M opened anywhere near me. Now there are most everywhere and many are pretty lame, overpriced and ignorant of much of the information that many of us have taken years to amass. I believe that those who offer unique juices will survive longer. I can't imagine buying any hardware at at B&M when most of it is double what you can get it for online. I do however, support my small local vape shop because I can try new juices without having to order a pig in a poke. Also since my local B&M gets their juice from a well know supplier who supports the ECF, they sell it to me at what it would cost me to order it and I don't have to pay shipping. ( I rebuild coils for the owner for this perk)
Now that I re-read this post I see it has nothing to do with the OP's concerns. Sorry
 

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The stores in my area are not generally twice as expensive as online stores. For example, EHPro KFL+s are about $50 and mods are about $60. Some of it has to do with their market. If it's a busy neighborhood with lots of local vapors, they can have lower prices. If not, they are going to need to charge more per-unit to stay in business and their likelihood of staying in business is diminished.
 

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The value in a B&M is there for the vape newbs. They can have questions answered, and try out different devices and liquids. In that respect it's better than buying a bunch of stuff online cheaper and then end up hating it and/or not knowing how to use it correctly.

Myself, I've never bought from a B&M because I got lucky online and ended up with equipment and juice that I like, but if I was gonna step up or try something different, I would definitely give a B&M the 1st shot at my business.
 

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Most of the ones around me aren't to bad. Like $7-10 bucks more on clone atty's then the some of the reputable low priced internet dealers. About $10-$20 more on clone mechs. It just depends. Most of the shops I go to have their juices dead on with internet pricing or about a buck more.

I cherry pick several stores for my stuff but still buy some of my stuff from the internet. I have so many quality juice options around locally it seems pointless to buy juices I haven't tasted yet.

I have run across a few B&M's that were over priced and just looked and walked out. Down by my office I have four shops with in about a 3 mile area. Plenty of competition keeps prices reasonable.
 

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All B&M's not just vape shops are trying to compete with the online vendors. Even the "shop local" mentality isn't changing the face of this dynamic. The B&M caters to those who need information ( and are not willing to study the info found on this site for example) and those who ran out of juice or who want something right now. I got my education here several years before a B&M opened anywhere near me. Now there are most everywhere and many are pretty lame, overpriced and ignorant of much of the information that many of us have taken years to amass. I believe that those who offer unique juices will survive longer. I can't imagine buying any hardware at at B&M when most of it is double what you can get it for online. I do however, support my small local vape shop because I can try new juices without having to order a pig in a poke. Also since my local B&M gets their juice from a well know supplier who supports the ECF, they sell it to me at what it would cost me to order it and I don't have to pay shipping. ( I rebuild coils for the owner for this perk)
Now that I re-read this post I see it has nothing to do with the OP's concerns. Sorry


I think that it has plenty to do with my post. I was just frustrated because I wanted to snag a mod today, but I found no reason to justify paying double for it when I could just order and wait a couple days. I agree that the prices in store should be just a bit above online. I also understand that they have overhead, and if they are unable to shell out cash from their own pocket their customers will see it within the prices. I just hope someday vaping is popular enough to allow manufacturers to have low enough prices for wholesale to allow the retailers to have similar prices to online vendors and still make enough money to get by.
 

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Yea, this is a tough one for me. I get that B&Ms have over head. But the fact is that because I started vaping before B&Ms I don't really need them now. I mean, I know they're useful so I don't want to sound like I don't think they are. But I chose the vaping set up I have with the idea that I can take care of everything it needs on my own (because I never expected to be able to go to a B&M as ask someone for help).

I do need eliquid & sometimes evod heads (when I go on a trip & need a back up or something) so this is really the only area where a B&M has an opportunity to gain my business. so if they don't sell good eliquid, or they don't have enough flexibility with their mixture (only offering VG or a set mix for all their liquids, etc.) or if they sell their evod heads for stupidly high prices (I think $7 for an evod head is annoyingly high) then they won't get my business. And because they don't get my business they probably won't get my referral if someone asks me about a local vendor.

So for me personally, if a local vendor can keep the consumables prices at a sensible range they have a better chance of getting my business for other devices as well, even if they do price those a little higher than what i could get online.

As far as the clones go though, I completely agree about the pricing being REALLY high at some B&Ms. When I know I can get a Ehpro Kayfun something for $35 it's really hard to swallow throwing down $90 for the same product just to support my local B&M.
 

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I can agree that B&M's have higher prices due to the usual business overhead, no need for me to repeat these, many honest ones will at least come down a little off their prices to a knowledgeable buyer or repeat customer. Or in the hopes the customer will be a regular.

One thing that's overlooked though, is that online sites also has overhead. Many of these has to pay the same rent/lease for a online shop & the usual expenses that comes with a local B&M. Plus they have employees too, the online ordering process doesn't make the order jump into the cushioned package to prevent damage, which also costs. A few online sites doubles as a B&M & some may move to online altogether, once established. And why not, online sites may have to deal with some returns, but not demanding customers walking in the door, cursing & disrespectful of everyone else around. Or shoplifters, some of which are tricky, using two or more to get their hands on an item. One may be looking at a $200 mod with a new salesperson, the other somewhere else in the store may have an "emergency", such as faking a heart attack to distract attention. Businesses are liable for making sure that emergencies are attended to, or face suit.

And with that stolen $200 mod goes a day's profit. These things really happens. The thief gets the product, the "emergency" turns out to be heartburn & that's how it ends.

The huge advantage that the online sites has is volume, by word of mouth advertising (just as a B&M). Good reviews will make them grow, too many bad will put them out of business, the same as a B&M. By moving larger volumes, the online shop can buy supplies at a lower cost, which trickles down to the customer. Plus they don't have to deal with the general public & the issues that brings along (such as shoplifting).

While I can see why B&M prices are higher, I don't envy them, nor would want to operate one, as it's a lot of work for too little money, even after all the monthly bills are paid. By a lot of work, I mean 60-70 hour workweeks, unless one chooses to hire someone else to manage it, which again, eats into profit & possibly worse, the trust issue. I couldn't see myself placing my livelihood into another's hands.

Though I rarely deal with B&M's, sometimes an unexpected need comes along & am glad for the few honest ones that are around. I also have a personal distributor.

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Im still fairly 'new' at this (just got my first REAL vape today when my EVOD arrived in the mail) but just from the research Ive done in the last 2-3 weeks, I wont buy equipment at my 2 local B&Ms.... The juice isnt any more expensive here than what it is online but no way am I paying over double what I can get hardware for online.. The one shop here in town that sells the Kanger EVOD kits wanted $70.. I got it for $23.99 plus like $4 shipping online.. When I went into one of the stores this morning to get some juice for my new EVOD, they wanted like $20 for a Protank 2 I can get for like $6 online... I understand the extra overhead but out here theyre just gouging folks trying to make a buck of the 'latest trend' which is apparently vaping out here.. Most of them couldnt even help me figure out where to start because none of them were actual smokers beforehand, they just picked up vaping cause it was 'hip'..
 

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My local isn't terrible, 5 pack of kanger coils + 10$, juice 2x30ml for 20$, mvp2 60$. The selection is rather terrible though (they sell wick and wire but no rebuildables, no mechs, just ego, mvp, coolfire, and vamo). Their tobacco juices are just kinda sad. I was buying their juice and coils, but now I've got rebuildables, and I'm really craving NETs or at least good synthetics. I have not been in a while.
Also I don't make much money, so getting what I want at even a slightly lower price and...well...
I hope they do well, and I never was a very profitable customer for them.
 
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