I give up,ive tried DIY and making a good RY4 type of juice and it seems impossible,and the flavour and taste just aint the same.I was trying to save cash but it seems like Halo Tribeca is the closet too a good tobacco i can get.Im going too order fasttech RYA later this week and if this dont cut it,looks like Halo is the one ill be buying from now on,i guess ya pay, to play.I was adding a few drops of carmnel flavour too cheaper tobacco juices and its not bad,but Halo is better.