Backwoods Brew Malty 0 nicotine

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Newbz

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A quick review of Backwoods Brew Malty, 0 mg of nicotine:

I’ve been cutting my nicotine since October. I started out at 36 mg/ml and here I am at zero. Finally.

During this journey, I wondered how cutting nicotine would affect the flavor of various juices, but I also wondered how terrible the cravings would be.

Don’t get me wrong, about once per day I still have a completely irrational desire to go buy a pack of smokes. I call this junkie-like craving irrational because I have had a cigarette since I started vaping. It was awful. I almost tossed cookies right there, and that’s no exaggeration. Armed with the logical knowledge that smokes taste revolting, it’s easy to shrug off the desire.

Still, going to 0 nicotine after 15 years of having the stuff flow freely through my veins is not something I take lightly. I know my clever little brain can and will invent all kinds of excuses and reasons why I should just go back to smoking. This is why I need certain flavors in my arsenal, to combat that annoying little addict voice until such time that it’s thoroughly silenced.

One flavor I keep around for that purpose is BWB’s Cinnamon. It can quiet a craving faster than you can Shake and Bake. But this is not an all day vape for me. It’s too strong and the flavor hangs on forever.

While I generally prefer coffee vapes, they don’t always satisfy. Occasionally they become cloying, and the texture that made me fall in love with them becomes the very thing I can’t tolerate.

With that conundrum in mind, I solicited advice from ECFers for a nice, neutral flavor. I wanted an all day vape for when my usual go to juices weren’t performing. The overwhelming suggestion was ECOpure. Unfortunately, I never could find ECOpure Fresh in any nicotine dosage less than 10mg/ml. Pretty much killed the idea of purchasing it.

Someone had suggested Backwoods Brew Malty. Usually the stuff is out of stock, and I had purchased Malty Toffee and been turned off by the artificially sickly sweet flavor. However, while browsing for my usual coffee fare, I saw Malty was back in stock and figured, why not?
I vape on a stock Riva510. Malty is a 70/30 PG/VG mix, 0 nicotine mg/ml and costs $6.50 plus shipping for 10ml.

Malty reminds me strongly of BWB’s Casablanca.
Yeah, yeah, I can hear some of you in the peanut gallery already. “That’s crazy, they’re nothing alike.”

You’re correct, but so am I. :)

On the inhale, I get the same slightly sweet kick from both flavors. I believe this is the VG showing through. There is a tickle on the throat, but like many flavors, the fireworks are saved for the exhale.

The exhale on this is jalapeno pepper. I’ll grant you, it’s a very slight pepper flavor, but it is there nonetheless. This is the same pepper additive that is used in Casablanca to simulate tobacco. (As a side note: it is different than the ‘chemical’ pepper additive used in BWB’s Maple Tobacco.) While Casablanca has a very nutty with pepper exhale, Malty is far more subtle.

Malty has a very delicate taste. I’ve read reviews where some people claim to taste nothing at all. If I had to guess what ingredients are in Malty, I’d say the bulk is pg/vg with small hints of pepper and raspberry. Sounds totally revolting, but it’s not. This is a juice I can use not only as an all day vape, but to squash cigarette cravings in a hurry. My guess is with a higher nicotine dosage, the peppery flavor would become more pronounced. In my opinion, nicotine has a pepper like flavor.

Now I see why the d@mn flavor is sold out all of the time.

I would like to try ECOpure if I can find it in 0 nic, but for now, Malty will do the trick.

I would purchase again.
I would recommend this flavor.
 
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Thanks for the comments, everyone. :)

One thing I should mention: Backwoods Brew has returned to using the same 10ml style bottles they did prior to December of last year. The bottles are tall, thin, made of a rigid plastic, are hard to squeeze and a bugger to store upright in the tool box I have for juice storage. For awhile in February, BWB was using a short, squat, and less rigid plastic bottles for their juice. It was easier to store upright, easier to drip, and in general a better storage solution for me. YMMV.

I do kind of miss the handwritten labels, btw. They reminded me of getting a bottle of Templeton Rye in that someone had taken the time and care to label their artisan product by hand.

These two points don't effect the flavor one bit. Just something I noticed.
 
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So last night I loaded up two fresh Rivas with Malty and handed them off to two different people to get their take on this flavor. I did not tell them what the flavor was, instead, I asked them to describe it to me.

Person #1, who used to socially smoke, said, "That's good. It's that cream orange drink from OrangeJulius."
Person #2, who never smoked, said, "This is the smell of vanilla pipe tobacco. It's sweet."

They thought they'd been given two different flavors to sample. I had them switch Rivas and they were surprised that they had the same flavor.

I still contend that it's raspberries and jalapeno pepper with maybe a touch of a Starburst lemon candy.

This intrigues me, and I wonder if the taste of the juice is influenced by what they person recently ate. Or, if in the absence of flavor, our minds make up what we think the flavor profile should be.
 
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How long should this steep? I let mine steep for over a week and I can't taste anything. Good vapor, though.

You're right. The vapor production is excellent and the juice is a bit thicker than Backwood's other offerings. I wonder if it has a higher percentage of VG, but I have not asked Don, so I really don't know.

Backwoods Brew does need to steep, according to their website. I vaped it at a week old. According to other reviews. some people can't taste anything off of this juice. Oddly, this is what I was going for when I purchased it. I wanted no flavor. Well, that's not what I got. I also find it extremely interesting that my friends had such different reactions to what the flavor of the juice was that you would have thought they were vaping from different manufacturers instead of from the same bottle.

I read an article in NatGeo a month or so ago about the herb cilantro. Basically, the theory is that some people have a particular line of DNA in their genetics to be able to enjoy the yummy, fresh, slightly sweet goodness that is cilantro. Other people don't have that DNA, and thus they believe cilantro tastes like soap.

Both groups of people are correct. They really are tasting the herb correctly, but it's all based on their biology and how their tongues and brain perceive flavor.

I wonder if this is the case with Malty, and with e-liquids in general. Since e-liquids are chemical concotions, our brains may make sense of them the best way they can based on what a particular individual is able to perceive. I perceive jalapeno, but my friend catches the citrus note, while my other friend tastes tobbacco, while you taste nothing.

Are genetics at work here? We hear on these forums all of the time that "taste is subjective." Some of that undoubtably has to do with equipment, but what if it's more elementary than that? What if we taste chemicals differently because that's how our tongues are hardwired?

Anyway, 2 pennies, for what they are worth, which in this world, ain't much. :)
 

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Are genetics at work here? We hear on these forums all of the time that "taste is subjective." Some of that undoubtably has to do with equipment, but what if it's more elementary than that? What if we taste chemicals differently because that's how our tongues are hardwired?

I've been a huge believer in the "genetics" theory all along!
 

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I've been a huge believer in the "genetics" theory all along!

Definitely a believer in people really do taste totally different things, but my secret theory revolves around the ph of your body chemistry.

I have both Malty and Malty Toffee on the way, and am looking forward to them both, but I certainly hope I dont taste jalepeno!
 

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So last night I loaded up two fresh Rivas with Malty and handed them off to two different people to get their take on this flavor. I did not tell them what the flavor was, instead, I asked them to describe it to me.

Person #1, who used to socially smoke, said, "That's good. It's that cream orange drink from OrangeJulius."

I'm with person #1 only as far as the foam taste not the orange bit. Man I loved getting those at the mall as a kid.

Malty is somewhere between foaming milk, meringue, and the inside of a chocolate malted ball to me. A hint of vanilla, definite malt flavor, but not very sweet. The foam of an Orange Julius did have a similar aftertaste and vanilla is part of the recipe. Of course I had to pull out my last remaining drops of Malty to try it again.

Loved your review, love Malty, and really love Casablanca but I am one of those that gets no pepper at all and can taste the cocoa in CB. Interesting to hear others' opinions that taste juice so differently.
 

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I thought they were out of stock this week?

Ugh. I never seem to see the stuff in stock. ;)


All these glowing reviews are depleting the stock. He had it in 3 times last week, every two days a batch came up because it takes that long to make the flavoring. He may have run out completely now. Sign up for the notify and if you miss it, wait two days and check again.
 

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Sign up for the notify and if you miss it, wait two days and check again.

+1 thats how I got it! I had been checking and waiting to see it available for weeks..although not in my normal obsessive way. System shot out an email and I feel like I won the lottery. Oh please oh please let there be no jalepeno!
 

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Newbz, I really like you take on things... great review and perspective.

I've had a 30mil Malty Brew 0-nic for a long time now; one of my first juice orders, I got off classifieds along with a bunch of Don's coffee flavors (6mg), from a vaper who had to dump nicotene at a great bargain.

the Malty was a great sort of neutral vape, a paradox... neutral yet substantial vs. vaping pure glycol ... I can't even describe it. And it does seem thicker, with more VG seemingly than what BWB's regular formula for lots of PG...

It can be a good mixer for strong flavors that seem to need some "blanding" out if you will.

I think I shall revisit it sometime for another order too.

btw I've found his non tobacco vapes, like fruits, even with low nic, to have good TH, which I don't really like... must be the nic imo.
 
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