Bad experiences at B&M....

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We've been very lucky that its been almost two years since an extremely serious vaping accident has happened. Lots of mishaps that could have severely hurt someone in these almost two years, but thankfully didn't.

IMO because there hasn't been anyone seriously injured for a while now there's a lot of people out there that think those of us that preach vaping safety don't know what we are talking about. Accidents can happen even if one has done everything right, but most often happen when someone does something wrong.

Handing anyone that hasn't been educated a .3 ohm build is beyond stupid in my book and certainly doing something wrong. :grr:
 

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Not all b&m's are sketchy. Look at AltSmoke in Ohio, Mountain Oak Vapors and Vintage Vapors in Tennessee, Heather's Heavenly Vapes in Georgia... These are all stand-up, high-quality vendors. And if you want to see how awesome someone can go with the design, look, and "feel" of a B&M, you need to visit Vintage Vapors in Chattanooga, TN. The owner is also a theme designer for other businesses, and he made the store up to look like this sweet, turn-of-the-century steampunk saloon. Check their page out on FB (btw, I have no association with them in the least, I just used to live in Chattanooga and am excited they finally got a sweet B&M).

One last thing about those TN b&m's: their prices were almost Internet-level. I have no idea how they make a profit, but they're doing well.

I second that.
 

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To answer your question Sucker_dad, yes I do. I have high expectations for B&M's and my expectations of online shops are growing more and more. They sell Product X, they should be able to support it, period. We're not talking about Chinese mass-produced manufacturers, we're talking about the middleman, the dealer. The ones who pay 2-5x less for the products on their site and in their stores.

Perhaps you feel it's being unrealistic, but dig a little deeper into the money that is being made and see where the real costs are. fasttech is just one venue for dealers. Some can and do go manufacturer direct for bulk purchases to get things cheaper, or they have a source that can do it for them. If we take the Nemesis Clone for example. It's $29.08 @ FT. If a dealer has the business levels to earn a lower buying price, I'm confident they can get that at $20 or lower per piece. It's a hot item, it sells, they'll have no trouble moving the inventory; just look at how many sell out here in the US. So many dealers are out of stock continuously.

Most of the Nemesis Clones sell for $40-$50 even up to $60 for the HCigar version. So for $20, $30 or $40 over cost, you're telling me I'm being unrealistic in asking them to be able to tell me about the mod and provide a bit of support for it? Like what batteries work best and why, what is battery safety and why should I care, etc? With all due respect, you're crazy.


I work in the firearms industry for a living. I designed and developed a lubricant and cleaner/lubricant combination. Do you honestly feel my customers should be left to "just know" how to use it on their firearm(s)? Not all work the same, not all can be used on specific metals, not all can be used on specific coatings. Of course, mine can with zero issues, but they only know what a website says. Now if I take the time to show them and train dealers to be able to do the same, they benefit.


I'm not asking B&M's and online shops to support a broken spring, a lost magnet etc. But if a customer asks for parts & pieces, asks how it works, asks X, Y or Z - then yes, I do expect them to have knowledge of the products they are selling. If they don't, don't sell it.


I wonder if you also expect all employees of an online store to be able to diagnose problems and build on any product they sell. I assure you they don't have that capacity nor will they ever. Lot's of shops that sell Provaris. I wouldn't expect any of them to have employees there to diagnose or fix it. That is for Provape to do. I do see that you put in the caveat that your a "bit harsh", I will add that your completely unrealistic. EVERY B&M open today is there to make money. That is what almost every business does. I absolutely agree they should not be promoting sub-ohm to ANYONE let alone newbies. THey should not be building sub-ohm either. A small store could easily have 500-1000 products in it. I don't expect anyone to know everything there is to know about everything.
 

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Wanted to tell a quick story and see what kind of bad experiences anyone has had at their local B&M....

So a good friend of mine got into vaping shortly after I did. Because of conflicting schedules, we don't hang much anymore. So when we did a few weeks ago I was surprised to see him sporting a new mech (Nemmi clone) and Igo-l he had just baught from our local B&M. We chatted for a while, and in convo he says to me "Hey my thing isn't burning right, can you fix it for me" lol. I kindly oblige since I love the opportunity to rebuild!

I check out the build that the B&M hooked him up with (dual coil, round wire with silica) and see one side is firing much faster than the other. I decide to not just rebuild it for him but also teach him how to rebuild. I begin to explain resistance, volts, amps etc. I put his Igo-L on my ohm reader and was appalled to see that his build was .30 ohms!!! .30 OHMS!!!:mad:

Why is a B&M giving noobs sub-ohm builds?! On a cheap 18650 battery (which they also sold him with no mention of batt safety). Look, don't get me wrong, I sub-ohm all the time (usually not that low, but on occasion I will) but there is a major difference between a B&M building sub-ohms for noobs and me an educated rebuilder and safety advocate. I was furious! I went to this place a few days later to pick up some liquid and struck up a convo with the kid working. He says to me "I don't even check my builds anymore"......:blink: WOW!!! I mean, if thats your style ok I guess. I can build my dual coil .8 ribbon wire with 3 wraps on 3mm ekowool and know it will be around .5 ohm because I've used it plenty of times.....but c'mon!!!! Don't know if that was the same guy who did my friends build or not.


My main issues with this are 2 things.
1. My friend was putting something in his face that was potentially dangerous to him and those in close proximity.
2. The last thing the vaping community needs is a batt failing on people who have no clue whats going on.

TL;DR-

Local B&M is giving inexperienced vapers sub-ohm coils! Not explaining batt safety, or even checking to make sure their batts are safe to use with a particular build!!!

Thoughts? Comments? Similar situations? What do you think?





Ok ok ok...... no more Ms. Nice Gal.......

I would love for you to PM me the name of the store...


 

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I almost never check my builds and they've worked fine for 3 years.I also don't understand why anyone would go to a B&M,unless they didn't have access to a computer.

If the B&M has decent pricing, I'll keep my money local. That's just personal preference. If they don't, I'll buy online. In most cases, online is always cheaper, but if the B&M pricing is just $5-$10 more, then I don't mind paying a little extra.

The way I see it, I'll pay at least $5-$6 on any size order I place online, so if I'm already out and near the B&M, there's really no reason to wait 3-5 days when I can get it today.

As for coil builds, it's just standard safety practice to check resistance before you fire. It doesn't matter if this is your first coil or the one that pushes you to a thousand builds. I build coils for 10-15 tanks (mine + friends) and I'd never blindly guess, even if I use the same tool and wire gauge for every one of them. I prefer to err on the side of caution because there's always "that chance" that something simply may not go the way you expected.
 

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what is classed as sub ohms? is it coils under 1ohm, just so I know Im right.

also is it safe to vape a 1.5 ohm duel coil on a 650mah ego battery? just cheeking the chart shows im hitting 11 watts on full charge with 4.1 volts which seems high for a small ego battery.

Correct. Anything under 1.0 ohms is sub-ohm.

On a 1.5 ohm dual coil you have 2x 3.0 ohm coils. Since they're in parallel, the total resistance is halved and each coil is hitting at around 4.57w for a total of 9.14w. You can do it on a 3.7v device, but it's not the most ideal and you'd probably get a better vape from something that'll allow you to go to 4.2-4.5v.
 

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what is classed as sub ohms? is it coils under 1ohm, just so I know Im right.
Any coil less than 1.0 ohm.

also is it safe to vape a 1.5 ohm duel coil on a 650mah ego battery? just cheeking the chart shows im hitting 11 watts on full charge with 4.1 volts which seems high for a small ego battery.
This depends upon who you ask and who is answering. There has been much debate about whether an Ego battery can adequately power a LR dual coil. Most of the vendors do not recommend LR dual coils for Egos.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/385313-question-about-ego-batteries-cart-clearo-suitability.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ego-type-models/341831-dual-coil-cartomizer-not-o-k-ego-batteries.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/315005-ego-twist-low-resistance-cartomizer.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/cartomizers/355290-dual-coil-cartomizers-ego-twist.html
 
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I second this. Also, both Mountain Oak Vapors and Vintage Vapors have also expanded into the Knoxville area as well. Nick (who manages Knoxville's Mountain Oak) and Glenn (who manages Knoxville's Vintage) are both exceptional people who go out of their way to help their customers.

For smaller, mom-and-pop outfits, The Vape Shop in the 407 flea market in Kodak, TN is a great bunch of guys as well. Never had a bad experience there. Mark actually met me at a local eatery to bring me an adapter I needed one evening since the shop was closed and I was leaving on vacation early the next morning. Their customer service is amazing.

Not all b&m's are sketchy. Look at AltSmoke in Ohio, Mountain Oak Vapors and Vintage Vapors in Tennessee, Heather's Heavenly Vapes in Georgia... These are all stand-up, high-quality vendors. And if you want to see how awesome someone can go with the design, look, and "feel" of a B&M, you need to visit Vintage Vapors in Chattanooga, TN. The owner is also a theme designer for other businesses, and he made the store up to look like this sweet, turn-of-the-century steampunk saloon. Check their page out on FB (btw, I have no association with them in the least, I just used to live in Chattanooga and am excited they finally got a sweet B&M).

One last thing about those TN b&m's: their prices were almost Internet-level. I have no idea how they make a profit, but they're doing well.
 
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