Of all the irresponsible...POed, should I be?

[SirSteve]

It seems some people just can't be helped, you have done what you could to get this friend to use common sense. You could talk to the people at the shop, maybe stop them from doing this in the future.

I don't really know what more you can do, maybe keep your distance when your friend fires up his pipe bomb.

 

[Vapo Marx]

I made a video tonight to prove this concept...

Concept proven! Excellent job.

 

[genghishahn]

I agree with the others responding to the OP. This is flat out negligence and irresponsible of the shop vendor. And your friend is a fool to remain ignorant and stubborn to educate himself.

As I always say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

He is indeed a fool. I hope this was a wake up call for him.

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[UncleChuck]

That is indeed quite irresponsible. I think you are justified being .......

On a similar note, there is a new grim green review where he is vaping what he *thinks* is a .6ohm coil on a 14500 battery device. He says it's OK because it will fire, where as the other batteries he tried didn't fire. (scary much?) Just because a battery will fire a coil doesn't mean it's safe to do so. He is pulling more current than his battery is rated for, and basically advertising it as being OK. AFAIK there are no 14500 batteries with a current rating even meeting what his coil is demanding. And I know for a fact the Efest ones he's using aren't.

I think that has potential to do even more damage, a guy at a local vape shop might give a few people an unsafe device, but a popular reviewer showing such unsafe vaping habits might cause hundreds of people to build an unsafe coil on their device.

I think he should either add some sort of annotation or take the vid down, I'm a defender of the idea that subohm vaping can be safe, but the trick is you actually have to do it safely.

 

[Baditude]

there is a new grim green review where he is vaping what he *thinks* is a .6ohm coil on a 14500 battery device. He says it's OK because it will fire, where as the other batteries he tried didn't fire. (scary much?) Just because a battery will fire a coil doesn't mean it's safe to do so. He is pulling more current than his battery is rated for, and basically advertising it as being OK. AFAIK there are no 14500 batteries with a current rating even meeting what his coil is demanding. And I know for a fact the Efest ones he's using aren't.

I think that has potential to do even more damage, a guy at a local vape shop might give a few people an unsafe device, but a popular reviewer showing such unsafe vaping habits might cause hundreds of people to build an unsafe coil on their device.

I think he should either add some sort of annotation or take the vid down, I'm a defender of the idea that subohm vaping can be safe, but the trick is you actually have to do it safely.

GrimGreen is not the brightest bulb in the box. I'm sorry, yes I said that. I've seen too many of his videos to not come to that conclusion. He knows very little about resistance and battery amperage and the limits that power devices have. He does no research on products prior to doing a review. I figured that out during his Provari review when he was trying to fire a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer @ 6 volts. That's 24 watts! The Provari wouldn't fire and gave him an error message and he was wondering why. Well, yeah. The Provari's protective circuitry had kicked in, doing exactly as it was designed to do.

How many vapors are trying to fire a dual coil 1.5 ohm carto at 6 volts?

 

[UncleChuck]

GrimGreen is not the brightest bulb in the box. I'm sorry, yes I said that. I've seen too many of his videos to not come to that conclusion. He knows very little about resistance and battery amperage and the limits that power devices have. I figured that out during his Provari review when he was trying to fire a 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizer @ 6 volts. That's 24 watts! It wouldn't fire and gave him an error message and was wondering why. Well, yeah.

How many vapors are trying to fire a dual coil 1.5 ohm carto at 6 volts?

It's a shame a provari isn't capable of those power levels, many cheap vw/vv devices with stacked batteries can fire 1.5ohm at 6v

Joking aside, stuff like not knowing a provari's amp limit will kick in may be kind of silly, but showing that build on that 14500 mod is potentially very dangerous. I think that hybrid dripper is awesome, and would purchase one today. But it's a 14500 device and I know it's not suitable for subohm vaping (at least as extreme as .6) Some of the many people wanting to start getting into rebuilding might see that review, and think it's OK to go building crazy coils on it.

I would hate to think what would happen if one of those people were also to use something like a trustfire or ultrafire 14500 with a .6ohm coil. He said his other batteries wouldn't fire his coil... probably because they were protected and he was tripping the over current protection. Lucky for him the protection circuit worked properly, but it should have made him consider for a moment that maybe he was pulling too many amps.

And he doesn't even know the resistance. Which isn't too bad, unless the resistance you think you have is already dipping below what the battery can handle. It would be especially easy to check resistance with that hybrid dripper, all he would need to do is temporarily install the wick and coil on another device with a standard 510 threading and check the resistance on one of his many apvs I know he has. Or just touch a multimeter's probes to the coil's legs for a resistance check.

Like I said I don't think it's too bad to just guess at your resistance, as long as you give yourself a lot of headroom with your batteries. If he thinks it's .6, it might be .7 or .8 But it also might be .5ohm. And nothing in that range should be used on an 14500.

 

[vap0rHo]

Buy him a bomb suit and he should be okay. Really though I think you should go out of your way to teach him ohms law and stuff so he doesnt get hurt.

 

[Vapo Marx]

The notion that there are people who wanna mess with this stuff but can't be bothered to use a multimeter or learn Ohm's Law is just unfathomable to me.

 

[cags]

just more possible ammo for the antiz and government
can't everyone just hold off until vaping is out of the legal woods???????

 

[Spazmelda]

Talking to the shop owner and bringing up liability seems like a good idea.

For your friend, you could tell him that sub ohm is so five minutes ago and all the cool kids are doing micro coils now. Not sub ohm micro coils, just to be clear,

 

[Thrasher]

when you are fully aware of everything i say more power to you.


but this is the point of my other rant.


it's coming

sigh...........................................

 

[minimalsaint]

I'm interested to know what has already happened. I'm willing to bet that Johnny noob who just burned/ blew off/ permanently disfigured his hand and/or face isn't willing to come on ECF and talk about his experience.

 

[samuraijill]

The notion that there are people who wanna mess with this stuff but can't be bothered to use a multimeter or learn Ohm's Law is just unfathomable to me.

Is it really so unfathomable though?

I think the argument could be made that we, the vaping community, created this monster. When we elevated vaping to a hobbyist, modding-mentality activity and set up a marketplace where some attractive pieces of plumbing go for more than a thousand dollars on auction, pushing performance to its most extreme parameters is the next logical step.

It's like fashion meeting extreme sports.

Veteran vapers like myself who get great vapes with spinner batts and vivis often, I think, feel almost obligated to go to the next level, if for no other reason than not to be treated like newbies and have our vape scoffed at.

I guess I think we all bear the responsibility for stuff like this to a great extent, and also we are equipped with the solution, which is the wholehearted celebration of all vapes that are good and safe.

 

[genghishahn]

I have written a letter to the store owner that basically urges him to revise his stores policy on building coils for customers. I've also suggested that any vaper that comes in wanting an SLR or subohm setup should be directed here, to ECF.

I just found out that my friend is still vaping the coil. He's being an a**. He got a hold of a battery that should be able to handle the amperage (that Sony 18650 1600mAh 30A), and that's good enough for him. He has no interest in doing the three things I've repeatedly advised he do if he's getting into RBAs: (1) get an ohm's law calculator and learn to use it, (2) get and learn to use a DMM since his Provari can't test the resistance of the coils he wants to use, and (3) learn the amp limits of the batteries he's got.

I personally would not place any trust in a coil built by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about--and who let me walk of out the store with something that could very well have blown up in my face. My friend apparently does though. So, ....... it. I've done what I can to look out for him. If he wants to be stupid, it's not something I can fix.

End rant.

 

[Tempus Fugit]

I would like to see ECF take a more active role in educating people about all this too. In this General forum, there are new posts all the time about coil wrapping, sub-ohm, etc. With all the noobs out there reading this stuff, they immediately think that these are the things they are supposed to use. They assume that more power = better vape, and of course that newest technology is always best. I still love the vapor from dripping into simple 510 atties! As the OP stated, they may not always have the right body of knowledge or research to do it safely. I haven't really explored, but I would hope that there could be a dedicated forum to the topic, maybe even with limited access by those who have been here longer than 5 minutes. This information really shouldn't be filling up the General forum.

It is very much like a 16 year old reading all the hot rod sites, and piecing together a 700hp supercar from the hottest parts they can find without learning how to actually drive first, much less how all their components work together. They are a hazard to themselves and other drivers too. In much the same way, negligence in using overpowered e-cigs can obviously be dangerous to the user, and if batteries start exploding right and left, the government will have that much more evidence for why they should control how/what we vape.

 

[ch2468]

You are absolutely right. The AW IMR 18350 700mah as a c rating of 8.

Continuous, not pulse. Unless you're holding the button down for minutes at a time, which a sub-ohmer probably isn't likely to do.

It still sucks that B&M shops will sell unknowledgable people these setups though. I wouldn't buy from them knowing this.

 

[bnrkwest]

Ignorance is bliss. bnrk

The notion that there are people who wanna mess with this stuff but can't be bothered to use a multimeter or learn Ohm's Law is just unfathomable to me.

 

[zoiDman]

I hear a Lot about Too Many Amps for Batteries. But one thing I don't here much about is Too Many Amps for a PV.

I can't say this for ALL PV's, but I know many PV's Switch Max Out at 5 Amps.

I'd hate to see a Newbie think he was OK just because his Batteries are Supposed to be able to Handle an Amp Load, Only to Fry their PV because the PV Couldn't handle the Amps.

 

[Kdizzle]

I love the approach you have taken, but am also saddened because I fear it's people like your friend that will inevitably ruin vaping for the rest of us.

FDA/States are waiting for someone to blow their faces off with these sub ohm coils because it's more ammunition to try and ban our beloved vaping.

 

[genghishahn]

I'm honestly less worried about someone losing a PV than being injured. A fried PV isn't going to hurt the vaping community, but I'm pretty sure more injuries will...

Stupid and selfish always seem to have a way of ruining good things for the responsible and conscientious. It really us quite sad that that's the world we live in...

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