Bad News for Vapers... Arizona

[Vwls]

Arizona, 39 other state attorneys general urge tight regulation of e-cigarettes - ktar.com

Forty attorneys general, including Arizona's Tom Horne, sent a letter to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday urging the agency to meet its own deadline and regulate electronic cigarettes in the same way it regulates tobacco products.

The letter, co-sponsored by Massachusetts Attorney Martha Coakley and Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, says e-cigarettes are being marketed to children through cartoon-like advertising characters and by offering fruit and candy flavors, much like cigarettes were once marketed to hook new smokers.


OMG really? Where is this cartoon like advertising they keep talking about?

 

[State Of Zen]

Dunno, haven't seen any here in Denver.

 

[DC2]

Cartoon-like advertising? What the ....?

And what business do Attorney Generals have being involved in this .... anyway?
And yes, the .... and the .... were cuss words.

My mother taught me to use my words.
And those are the words I used.

 

[dr g]

Arizona, 39 other state attorneys general urge tight regulation of e-cigarettes - ktar.com

Forty attorneys general, including Arizona's Tom Horne, sent a letter to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday urging the agency to meet its own deadline and regulate electronic cigarettes in the same way it regulates tobacco products.

The letter, co-sponsored by Massachusetts Attorney Martha Coakley and Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, says e-cigarettes are being marketed to children through cartoon-like advertising characters and by offering fruit and candy flavors, much like cigarettes were once marketed to hook new smokers.


OMG really? Where is this cartoon like advertising they keep talking about?

I posted this earlier in the media forum. Yeah that cartoon advertising assertion is straight up horse.....

 

[stevegmu]

I'm fine with what M. DeWine wants- age restrictions and verification and advertising limitations. When NY and California are involved, however, anything can happen. It will still be years before anything of significance happens via the FDA. It is Congress that may act first. What better way to reduce deficits, than with a new tax?

 

[ItTechy]

I'm fine with what M. DeWine wants- age restrictions and verification and advertising limitations. When NY and California are involved, however, anything can happen. It will still be years before anything of significance happens via the FDA. It is Congress that may act first. What better way to reduce deficits, than with a new tax?

Ok lets face it, our government can't find it own rear end with both hands, a Digital-Graphic GPS, and detailed instructions a 2 year old could follow!

Like I said in another post We The People need to stop electing ......, vote, and nominate people who don't have their head up their .... only wanting to be in politics for their own selfish gain!

It's a fact that if was legalized we would save millions if not billions of dollars in mis-used law enforcement efforts and in turn it being taxed would thus decrease the deficit of our broke ... country!

But Oh No, lets screw with the NCTA folks, they're evil and want to be healthy and not enslaved to the tobacco industry!

But wait the tobacco industry just paid for my campaign for me to be a money hungry, who cares about my constituents politician!

People it's all about money and corruption, and until we do what we can as a people, collectively and get these old fart greedy SOB' out of office, it isn't gonna change!

FACT: We that vape do not have any, ANY of the health related issues of smokers, period!
FACT: We are NOT contributing to the political money machine of the tobacco industry!
FACT: We are not hurting anyone else with our exhale of vape!

On and on....

I am not an anarchist or any radical, I am an informed, educated adult that fully realizes what is happening with our country, and if we don't all wake up, we will one day with 0, zlitch, nada, doo doo rights!

Oh and BTW it's Non Combustible Tobacco Alternatives


I needed a hit from my mod!

Whew now I feel better

 

[ScottP]

I am not an anarchist or any radical, I am an informed, educated adult that fully realizes what is happening with our country, and if we don't all wake up, we will one day with 0, zlitch, nada, doo doo rights!

Yet with all of the "key words" used in your post, you can bet the US Dept of Homeland Security just added you to their watch list.

 

[stevegmu]

Big Tobacco are no longer big money donors. They are just a scapegoat people here use when they refuse to do research and really follow the money.

 

[ScottP]

Big Tobacco are no longer big money donors. They are just a scapegoat people here use when they refuse to do research and really follow the money.

Even IF that were true, Big Pharma is still a BIG money donor. Do you think they want people vaping or using chantix, their inhalers, or their gum?

 

[stevegmu]

Even IF that were true, Big Pharma is still a BIG money donor. Do you think they want people vaping or using chantix, their inhalers, or their gum?

It is, unless you are implying politicians are getting sacks full of cash from tobacco companies. Donations are a matter of public record. A simple Google search will show you big tobacco is no longer really a player anymore.

If you follow the money, it will lead you to Big Pharma. Either way, it is the nanny-state mentality that is the problem.

 

[dr g]

Donations are a matter of public record.

Campaign donations and certain expenditures, sure. But there are plenty of ways to spend money supporting a candidate without triggering FEC reporting.

 

[stevegmu]

Campaign donations and certain expenditures, sure. But there are plenty of ways to spend money supporting a candidate without triggering FEC reporting.

That may be true, but the era of big tobacco is over. Politicians from tobacco states may receive more than others, but they generally aren't the ones against vaping. Secrets don't stay hidden long in politics and politicians today just don't want to be associated with an industry that has become a pariah.

I trace the beginning of the end of their influence to when RJ Reynolds dropped the Winston Cup NASCAR sponsorship.

 

[dr g]

That may be true, but the era of big tobacco is over. Politicians from tobacco states may receive more than others, but they generally aren't the ones against vaping. Secrets don't stay hidden long in politics and politicians today just don't want to be associated with an industry that has become a pariah.

I trace the beginning of the end of their influence to when RJ Reynolds dropped the Winston Cup NASCAR sponsorship.

It is true that BT's influence has lessened. I'd think they would be smart enough to notice that ecig might actually be their salvation. Wouldn't doubt if they support online bans though.

 

[stevegmu]

It is true that BT's influence has lessened. I'd think they would be smart enough to notice that ecig might actually be their salvation. Wouldn't doubt if they support online bans though.

They do research and I'm sure have 'experts' in the world of vaping as consultants.
People like to shop online. They don't want to lose that market. They will push for age verification- which many politicians will feel is an easy position to agree with, not bans.

I see Marlboro Red e-liquid in the future.

 

[retrox]

We've already got the online age-verification legislation passed here in good old NC. I had to send a photo of my NCDL to a local online vendor to buy a battery charger, which I thought was suitably absurd enough to be an accurate representation of political intervention in an otherwise sane world.

Not sure when the statute takes effect, but some vendors already have the required process in place. It's actually not a terrible thing, and I expect other states will be following suit soon enough. Politicians are most likely to follow the path of least resistance, after all.

If this makes them feel like they've done something substantial enough to keep them off our backs for another couple of years, I'm all for it. Float that boat, fellas.

 

[Myrany]

The problem is it will not be enough to demand age verification. I personally believe that online nic juice (and nic liquid for DIY) sales are doomed. It is the one bottleneck in the system they can nail us at.

How many of the online vendors could survive without the juice portion of their income? I'd imagine quite a few would fail.

What they can do to us about hardware is debatable. Killing online sale across the board is one option that really frightens me personally since I am not really handy enough to make my own PVs and attys. Now if they do that I would love to see the vendors enter into a class action lawsuit over a hardware ban...after all they don't hardware ban alot of "other" hardware you can get in headshops and online.

I actually in a sick way sort of hope they go the tax us route. We will not get away scot free so by taxing us at least the stuff is still available even if the price becomes awful. Not saying I want taxes but in a less of evils way it is preferable to an outright ban.

 

[ScottP]

The problem is it will not be enough to demand age verification. I personally believe that online nic juice (and nic liquid for DIY) sales are doomed. It is the one bottleneck in the system they can nail us at.

How many of the online vendors could survive without the juice portion of their income? I'd imagine quite a few would fail.

What they can do to us about hardware is debatable. Killing online sale across the board is one option that really frightens me personally since I am not really handy enough to make my own PVs and attys. Now if they do that I would love to see the vendors enter into a class action lawsuit over a hardware ban...after all they don't hardware ban alot of "other" hardware you can get in headshops and online.

I actually in a sick way sort of hope they go the tax us route. We will not get away scot free so by taxing us at least the stuff is still available even if the price becomes awful. Not saying I want taxes but in a less of evils way it is preferable to an outright ban.

Hardware is completely out of the jurisdiction of the FDA. It will take a Congressional Bill signed into law to touch hardware. Juice is all the FDA can touch. Even more than online sales being banned, I am more concerned about flavor choices being limited to puke and turd. I feel this is going to be the case because they already did this with cigarettes and too many people are crying about flavors appealing to non-smokers and minors. if they do this, you can bet that unflavored will be a BIG no-no. They can't have any DIY happening.

 

[Myrany]

Hardware is completely out of the jurisdiction of the FDA. It will take a Congressional Bill signed into law to touch hardware. Juice is all the FDA can touch. Even more than online sales being banned, I am more concerned about flavor choices being limited to puke and turd. I feel this is going to be the case because they already did this with cigarettes and too many people are crying about flavors appealing to non-smokers and minors. if they do this, you can bet that unflavored will be a BIG no-no. They can't have any DIY happening.

I seem to remember reading something (maybe in the proposed deeming stuff) that the FDA wanted to limit devices to grandfather those from 2007ish(foggy on the year but it was crap cigalike time range) and require a nasty approval process for anything else. So no they are not leaving hardware alone.

 

[stevegmu]

I seem to remember reading something (maybe in the proposed deeming stuff) that the FDA wanted to limit devices to grandfather those from 2007ish(foggy on the year but it was crap cigalike time range) and require a nasty approval process for anything else. So no they are not leaving hardware alone.

They haven't issued any proposals yet- that may be in October, when they may announce 'deeming' regulations and open up the debate and discussion period. Whatever you heard is rumor and speculation.

I seriously doubt non-traditional flavors will be prohibited, at least not anytime soon. These processes take years- at least without an act of Congress. BLU isn't going to roll over- they sell more than just tobacco and menthol.

Also, given that grants gave been given to 'researchers' to study e-nic for a period of 5 years, nothing major will come before then. The 'researchers' will take all of 5 years and ask for more when that money dries up.

 

[Myrany]

They haven't issued any proposals yet- that may be in October, when they may announce 'deeming' regulations and open up the debate and discussion period. Whatever you heard is rumor and speculation.

I seriously doubt non-traditional flavors will be prohibited, at least not anytime soon. These processes take years- at least without an act of Congress. BLU isn't going to roll over- they sell more than just tobacco and menthol.

Also, given that grants gave been given to 'researchers' to study e-nic for a period of 5 years, nothing major will come before then. The 'researchers' will take all of 5 years and ask for more when that money dries up.

THis is the document I was thinking of Regulation of E-Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products