Bad News for Vapers... Arizona

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stevegmu

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Pre-market review is an evaluation of a device's safety, before it is marketed and sold.
The letter was a response to the Sottera decision.
None of what they said they would do in the letter has been enacted in the 2 1/2 years since it was drafted. Will they bring the points up again in the possible 'deeming regulations?' Probably not, as they didn't act on them over the past 2 1/2 years. I am sure there are reasons why they haven't. If they could have, they would have.
 

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Pre-market review is an evaluation of a device's safety, before it is marketed and sold.
The letter was a response to the Sottera decision.
None of what they said they would do in the letter has been enacted in the 2 1/2 years since it was drafted. Will they bring the points up again in the possible 'deeming regulations?' Probably not, as they didn't act on them over the past 2 1/2 years. I am sure there are reasons why they haven't. If they could have, they would have.
You have far more faith than I do. I personally envision them getting ducks in a row to nail us hard. Particularly since they lost in court once already.
 

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You have far more faith than I do. I personally envision them getting ducks in a row to nail us hard. Particularly since they lost in court once already.

There were 5 year research grants issued. What would have been the point if bans were imminent? No point is studying something that has already been banned.
 

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Tom Horne is an ........ Many people quit when he became an AG according to my mom. Anyways hope my Vamo lasts if things go that way. I have a pro tank and a Igo-W I can keep rebuilding. I can buy 18650s for my "high powered flashlight" and buy nicotine solution for "research purposes". Really they will just sell the nic with labels like "not for human consumption" like they do with designer drugs and make you agree to the site terms. Then flavoring can be used for many other purposes so that's not too much of an issue. Maybe becoming more self sufficient will pay off even more long term, we'll see.
 

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Ok lets face it, our government can't find it own rear end with both hands, a Digital-Graphic GPS, and detailed instructions a 2 year old could follow!

Like I said in another post We The People need to stop electing ......, vote, and nominate people who don't have their head up their .... only wanting to be in politics for their own selfish gain!

It's a fact that if :censored: was legalized we would save millions if not billions of dollars in mis-used law enforcement efforts and in turn it being taxed would thus decrease the deficit of our broke ... country!

But Oh No, lets screw with the NCTA folks, they're evil and want to be healthy and not enslaved to the tobacco industry!

But wait the tobacco industry just paid for my campaign for me to be a money hungry, who cares about my constituents politician!

People it's all about money and corruption, and until we do what we can as a people, collectively and get these old fart greedy SOB' out of office, it isn't gonna change!

FACT: We that vape do not have any, ANY of the health related issues of smokers, period!
FACT: We are NOT contributing to the political money machine of the tobacco industry!
FACT: We are not hurting anyone else with our exhale of vape!

On and on....

I am not an anarchist or any radical, I am an informed, educated adult that fully realizes what is happening with our country, and if we don't all wake up, we will one day with 0, zlitch, nada, doo doo rights!

Oh and BTW it's Non Combustible Tobacco Alternatives


I needed a hit from my mod!

Whew now I feel better :vapor:
Well said.
 

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The Supreme Court said regulating hardware was OUT of the FDA jurisdiction because they are not medical devices. They can only regulate it as tobacco.
And the definition of a tobacco product is as follows...
What products are considered to be tobacco products as defined by the tobacco control act?

The term "tobacco product" means any product made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption, including any component, part, or accessory of a tobacco product...

From everything I have ever read they CAN regulate the hardware if they choose to do so.
 

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Yet with all of the "key words" used in your post, you can bet the US Dept of Homeland Security just added you to their watch list. :D

Now why would you think that, I am not Muslim, I have worked for our Uncle (still do), pay my taxes, go to church...wait, wait sounds like the Matrix......whoa...:matrix:

LOL

Shoot I even help the little old lady across the road with her trash....

QUICK UNPLUG ME!
 
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The letter, co-sponsored by Massachusetts Attorney Martha Coakley and Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, says e-cigarettes are being marketed to children through cartoon-like advertising characters and by offering fruit and candy flavors, much like cigarettes were once marketed to hook new smokers.

Joseph Goebbels
"If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Congratulations, Massachusetts Attorney Martha Coakley and Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, look at the company you keep.

Thank goodness the approved methods of smoking cessation would never resort to such tactics to hurt children!

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Oh....

NOTICE that they give away a sample pack to "hook" users. This is a common tactic among drug pushers, perfected by BP, endorsed by the FDA.

O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.
 
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In all honesty our constitution guarantees us freedom of speech and freedom of expression.

If we do not express our wishes and desires though the proper channels via elected officials, it's our own damn fault!

Like we need to elect another politician because of how they look, or others telling us "he's the one" (more Matrix lines)....

We need to research who's running for what, what they represent, etc., most of all we need to get those nominated and to run for offices that are not career politicians who are only out for one thing as demonstrated by their track records!

I am gonna go on a rant again......

:vapor: whew...I am ok, I am okay.....
 

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joseph goebbels
"if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

congratulations, massachusetts attorney martha coakley and ohio attorney general mike dewine, look at the company you keep.

Thank goodness the approved methods of smoking cessation would never resort to such tactics to hurt children!

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oh....

well said!
 

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Now why would you think that, I am not Muslim, I have worked for our Uncle (still do), pay my taxes, go to church...wait, wait sounds like the Matrix......whoa...:matrix:

LOL

Shoot I even help the little old lady across the road with her trash....

QUICK UNPLUG ME!

One of these lives has a future....the other does not.
 

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I keep starring at this thread without clicking on it, I need to vent to stop getting mad everytime I see it. Here we go...


Plain and simple, The future of vaping is "Do It Yourself". The government can never ban all the materials that make up a DIY vaping project. Fact is that everyone who is serious about there vaping needs to learn how to build and rebuild an atomizer, they need to learn how to make there own juice, and they need to educate themselves on the safety of what and what not to do when building there RDA's, what to check for, and learn there math when it comes to Batts, ohms, etc.

Making your own Juice, not hard. Personally, I vape 100% VG. So I head on over to WalMart, if I do not want to take a car ride, I head over to Amazon, type VG into the search engine, and this comes up... Amazon.com: Glycerin Vegetable Kosher USP - 1 Quart: Health & Personal Care

For PG users/mixers, here's your PG... Amazon.com: Propylene Glycol - Food Grade USP - 1 Quart (32 Oz.): Health & Personal Care


I'm a Menthol guy, so next step I head on over to Ebay, pick up a ounce of Menthal Crystals for $5 bucks, and I'm set for the next year of vaping. My last bag of Crystals lasted me FOREVER!!! Literally over a year! You don't need much to turn your VG/PG into Menthol, just a couple tiny crystals dropped into your VG/PG, they disintegrate within 5-min and your good to go. Get them here... Menthol Crystals 1oz 100 Pure High Purity Safe Package SEALED Free SHIP | eBay They sell these on Amazon as-well, but I find them cheaper on Ebay.


Mech MODS will be the least of our worries, China here I come! I ordered a $300 215mw laser from China a couple years back, these lasers easily burn paper and I have even set matches on fire with it. This laser is highly illegal in the USA and it had NO problem squeezing it's way through customs. Our Mods will be no different (if it ever came down to this).


The one thing I NEVER learned how to do, was mixing in the flavoring (if someone knows please explain). I always just used Menthol crystals and I was fine, if I wanted different flavors I would go on-line and buy me some (555, RY4, etc). This I NEED to learn how to do, I'm dieing to know! I actually never researched it until now.


Fact is, if you want a little more piece of mind instead of worrying about this FDA garbage, simply educate YOURSELF!!! The one thing that the Government can't EVER take away from us is OUR KNOWLEDGE! Always think ahead, always be prepared! No freedom taking Politician is putting my health at risk because of there greed and ignorance! Let them have there penny's from there "BLU's". In the mean-time I'll be sitting at home, building my home made attys, vaping on my home made Juice, laughing my .... off while pressing the button on my Chinese MOD!
 
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Thank you, EddardinWinter! My sentiments exactly!

Say, what ever became of George Washington who - according to legend - could not tell a lie?

He is dead, and rotting in the ground. It is up to us to prove worthy stewards of our time. Only time will tell. So far, as a Generation Xer, I am not proud of what we have done. Perhaps we can finish stronger than we started.
 
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