Ban on E-cigs?

[GMoney]

E-Cigs are not for everyone so I don't know whay they would be so worried. Some people will still use the gum and the other items no matter what we say, so why the big deal?

I think there are a really 2 main things going on(As well as financial gain it is a philosophical viewpoint):

The drug companies do not want people self-medicating in any way shape or form. They want you to buy THEIR products. They do see e-cigs as a potentially large enough threat to try to stop it now. Additionally, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, in the not to distant future, coffee and tea drinkers will have to pay $10 a cup or have to buy caffeine patches or caffeine gum.

The other main thing is that the anti-smoking industry has become big business. But beyond any purely financial gain, no matter how well intentioned many anti-smoking advocates may have originally been, IMHO many have become anti-SMOKER zealots. There is no rationality left - hence the fake cough some non-smokers do when they see someone smoking. Psychologically, they cannot even handle the site of someone doing something that even LOOKS like smoking. To these type of people, if you said to them " that quit smoking drug has a side-effect that could kill you" they could say, and think it was completely logical and reasonable, "So what, you're gonna die if you smoke anyway!"

 

[Zal42]

The other main thing is that the anti-smoking industry has become big business. But beyond any purely financial gain, no matter how well intentioned many anti-smoking advocates may have originally been, IMHO many have become anti-SMOKER zealots. There is no rationality left

Bingo. Yes, BP would like to see them either eliminated or ruled to be a medical device (which would allow them to profit from them). However, the antismoking industry is the greater threat, and serves as a catalyst to keeping BP actively in opposition.

It was obvious to me that the antismoking crowd was headed toward irrationality back when they started trumpted the whole SHS issue. They hadn't become full-on irrational at that point, but they certainly had lost all perspective.

On the plus side, as one side of a divide gets increasingly crazy, it becomes easier for people wh don't care about the issue at all to see the crazy, and it loses support. Also, it becomes easier to use the opponent's arguments against them. For example:

"Chantrix may pose a medical risk, but it's OK because smoking poses an even greater risk."

(which is not an unreasonable argument) becomes:

"Vaping may pose a medical risk, but it's OK because smoking poses an even greater risk."

All but the nuttiest of the zealots will easily see the comparison and shift to a "think of the children" or shs argument.

 

[fallon74]

The only thing you can do is write your congressman. I think the FDA should take a hike I'm sick of people thinking that vaping is bad for you what about the millions of people dying over cigarettes and second hand smoke?

 

[IOU]

I think there are a really 2 main things going on(As well as financial gain it is a philosophical viewpoint):

The drug companies do not want people self-medicating in any way shape or form. They want you to buy THEIR products. They do see e-cigs as a potentially large enough threat to try to stop it now. Additionally, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, in the not to distant future, coffee and tea drinkers will have to pay $10 a cup or have to buy caffeine patches or caffeine gum.

The other main thing is that the anti-smoking industry has become big business. But beyond any purely financial gain, no matter how well intentioned many anti-smoking advocates may have originally been, IMHO many have become anti-SMOKER zealots. There is no rationality left - hence the fake cough some non-smokers do when they see someone smoking. Psychologically, they cannot even handle the site of someone doing something that even LOOKS like smoking. To these type of people, if you said to them " that quit smoking drug has a side-effect that could kill you" they could say, and think it was completely logical and reasonable, "So what, you're gonna die if you smoke anyway!"

Agreed, I recently read that Big Tobacco is a $3.9billion a year industry and the Tobacco producers gave the FDAsomething like $1.8million dollars last year.

 

[Sassyonemeis]

Read this if you really think anyone in congress will help...

http://www.emord.com/Emord_HKv11i1.pdf

the only thing I can see that will help is a revolution by the PEOPLE of this country to take it back and make it right again... it's too far gone to be fixed using the ways "they" tell us to fix things.

The only thing you can do is write your congressman. I think the FDA should take a hike I'm sick of people thinking that vaping is bad for you what about the millions of people dying over cigarettes and second hand smoke?

 

[meanmoe]

I used those for about a month. They did taste like ---- at first but you got use to it after awhile. They were expensive, about twice the cost of regular cigs, if memory serves. FDA ruled (or was about to) it a drug delivery device so it was pulled from the market.

naw, they were not pulled. They were a massive flop and RJR lost a lot of money on them - listed as one of the worst business moves ever. I think they were sold to another company and continued under another name for a little while... "eclipse" maybe?

Back on topic - I think that I've tried all of those other NRT products except maybe the inhaler. Chantix was by far the worst - bad dreams, bad thoughts, bad moods, just a bad product imo. I had really bad dreams.

 

[TNT]

I recall that sometime in the seventies, one of the cig companies did to try to market something like an e-cig. It was called the Premier, and it used a battery and a capsule of liquid. It didn't catch on as we all know.

Ah, the Premier, which was never marketed nationally so I never used one. It was followed up some years later by the Eclipse, which I did try... and according to the RJ Reynolds website, it's still being sold at the drug store I go to. I'll have to check next time I go in.

Anyway, here's a good article that mentions both the Premier and the Eclipse, plus some others:
NOVA Online | Search for a Safe Cigarette | "Safer" Cigarettes: A History


Edit: the article is from 2001

Another edit: Don't miss the section on the Accord... what does the picture and description remind you of?

Yet another edit... sorry, but this is the first time I've read about the Accord, which was developed in the late '90s, I think. Here's another article with more pictures:

http://tobaccoproducts.org/index.php/Accord

 

[generalsn]

They compete with Chantix, thereby defeating the entire purpose of smoking bans, the bottom line of Pfizer.

 

[melder215]

they are gonna make it to where you cant get nicotine extract without a perscription, or just make it regulated so its REAL expensive and they can add things . buy bulk, cause its gonna get expensive. or they will just bad vaping outright.

 

[chill88]

thats such BS. ny will be the first state to do it. Its coming soon im sure.

 

[grandmato5]

I do believe there are two different secenarios flighting against e-cigs. The combination of these two is stacked very much against the future acceptance of e-cigs by those that make our laws and will ultimately decide if e-cigs will or will not be banned in the US in the future.

One of them being those that are simply against smoking because of all the health issues associated with cigarettes. Electronic cigarettes are still very much associated with "smoking" AND cigarettes by the public at large. Most people do not understand nor are willing to accept there are huge differences between cigarettes and e-cigs. For a politican to be assoicated with approving e-cigs is seen as being in favor of smoking and that today is political suicide. The lack of scentific studies to back the positive differences between cigs and e-cigs only plays to the hands of those that refuse to listen to the facts that we do have and the experiences that we have had.

The second of coarse is BP. If one can stop smoking and start vaping easily there is little reason for the chantix and and other stop smoking products that rarely work but are tried over and over again by many that smoke in order to attempt to quit. There's huge dollars to be lost by BP if acceptance of e-cigs were ever to happen. And then of coarse there's big Tobacco. Huge dollars to be lost there too as more and more smokers switch to e-cigs.