Banning e cigs on campus
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Exactly......
I think we got a little off track here, IMO the problem isn't that he can't vape in class, it's that he is being forced (if he wants to vape durging the class day) to join the smokers off campus. This is where I have the problem, how does it benifit ex-smokers to lump them in with the smokers? More importantly why do people feel the need to tell others what activities they can do outside in the fresh air, if those activities don't harm anyone. My concern is giving people control over our choices, when our choices don't hurt anyone. IMO, it's like a ball you drop at the top of a hill, it'll start rolling and keep on going....
Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not a rude vaper and I wasn't a rude smoker, I believe there's a time and place for everything. Personally I don't vape inside, other then in my own home or that of friends, but IMO vaping outside shouldn't be controlled.
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That is the way I Perceived the OP's 1st Post. And why I made these Two Posts.
Because If the School is getting Any "Tobacco Free Campus" funds, Forget trying to Fight a Ban. It is Unwinnable.
But if they Aren't receiving any Extra Funding, then Trying to get e-Cigarette use in Parking Lots might be about the Only Concession that would be Realistically worth Fighting For.
I know we've talked Zoidman & I think we've had a discussion like this. But I'll say this just to say it again. If vaping hadn't come out they wouldn't be sneaking a stealth vape outside your door they'd be spending 10-15 min in the bathroom in one of their classes. Thats how it was for my friends and I in highschool. We all went to the bathroom in whatever class we had during the lunchwave bells and we'd miss a lot of that class due to our habit. We had a cigarette after lunch that would cut into the next period and then the next lunch wave we'd go to the bathroom and see the friends we had in the next lunch wave. With vaping, kids dont need to skip a period at all they can have a vape at their lockers and actually bring their books to class
So are you saying that we should Allow or even Perhaps Encourage Students to use e-Cigarettes on Campus because the Alternative is they will Smoke in Bathrooms?
Schools teach Students Much More that just what is in Textbooks.
If a Student can Learn that there are going to be times where He/She has to sit for 90 Minutes or More and Can't have a Hit Off an e-Cigarette, I think that would be a Very Valuable Lesson to Learn.
Because if they Can't go for 90 Minutes, or Possibly More, without a Hit that they are going to have a Very Hard Time working at Many Jobs.
And that perhaps e-Cigarettes Aren't all that they are Cracked up to be.
I firmly believe some are far more addicted to e-nic than they were to smoking. May also be that they were never smokers in the first place. Long time smokers can generally go 90 minutes without smoking a cigarette and have come to accept there are times and places where they simply can't smoke. I think vapers who never smoked before simply don't have this discipline.
This could be.
Because I never had a Student who had to get up in the Middle of a Lecture and go Outside to Smoke a Cigarette. It was Very Rare to hear of Someone who was Caught Smoking on Campus. With e-Cigarettes, it is Becoming Progressively Worse at an Alarming Rate.
And some Students have said that they have a "Right" to Vape in Classrooms because it was Not Illegal.
This Prompted Swift and some would say a Heavy Handed approach to e-Cigarette Policies.
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BTW - Don't overlook that a Campus e-Cigarette Use Policy also applies to Faculty and Staff. And that Most Schools would Frown Upon an Instructor using an e-Cigarette on Campus in front of Students.
I call foul! I can go longer without nic now than I could with cigs. However, I don't WANT to...and vape as much out of habit as out of nic-need.
Zoid, I have been reading your posts. My Husband teaches in the local collage and I am there often. You are doing a good job of explaining vaping in a college. My Hubby says ,no way in class, too distracting. I remember take a final and some dork was eating doritos next to me... crackke crackle crake went the chip bag. I was doing chemistry calculations. How disrupting.
I agreed with you.
I agreed with you.
The MAOIs naturally present in tobacco cause withdrawal symptoms after 30 to 120 minutes. It's subjective.
No MAOIs in e-cigs. Nicotine by itself is as addictive as coffee.
I can go without coffee for hours. I could never go without an analog for more than 2 hours, without getting some serious jitters.
Absolutely Some/Many Can... And Do.
It's 10:30 AM my time and I have been up since 8:00 am. I haven't had Hit yet.
I believe that Vaping can become a Ritualism Habit that is just as Powerful if Not More than Smoking. Because when People know they Can't Smoke, they just Deal with it Mentally. the "Out of Sight - Out of Mind Thing".
But that Isn't the Case with Vaping. People learn Very Quickly that they Can Stealth Vape and Probably won't get Caught. But this just Feeds the Mental Addiction.
And Mental Addiction can be Very Hard to Stop.
Thank you mare ze.
About a year ago I had the Dubious Honor of being an Advisory Member to the Policy Committee which decided a Campus e-Cigarette Policy. I was chosen because I was an know Heavy Smoker who had Quit using e-Cigarettes.
Formally I was told that the e-Cigarette Policy was Completely Open to Debate/Discussion. And it would be Decided on the Scientific Merits that could be Shown both For and Against e-Cigarette Use.
Privately I was told that e-Cigarette use inside Classrooms and School Buildings was Off the Table. That wasn't going to Happen. Period. End of Report. And that Open Air Spaces were All but decided. There would be No Open Air e-Cigarette Use. What was left, but was Not Likely to happen was e-Cigarette Use in Designated Smoking areas and Parking Lots.
It was an Uphill Battle all the Way. This question came up Time and Time and Time Again at Every Stage of the Process.
"How can we have a Reasonable Guarantee that there will be Nothing Else inside an e-Cigarette Besides a Tobacco Product?"
The Health and Harm Reduction Issue was of course part of the Process. But the Issue of Using a PV to Inhale something besides Nicotine e-Liquids was a Major Issue.
In the End, I considered that it was a Win because the Campus Policy allowed e-Cigarette use in Parking Lots and Designated Smoking Areas. Most Vapers saw this as a Huge Loss. And Many said that they Felt that their "Right to Vape" had be Violated.
What Many Never Considered though was that they Didn't have a Right to Vape on our Campus in the First Place.
And how Much Work it was and just how Hard of a Fight it was to Allow them to Stand at the Edge of a Parking Lot and Vape. Vape and Complain about the e-Cigarette Policy.
Here is an Interesting Article.
http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/evidence-of-.........-use-with-e-cigs-growing/
Perhaps it gives some Perspective on what I posted Earlier.
http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/evidence-of-.........-use-with-e-cigs-growing/
Perhaps it gives some Perspective on what I posted Earlier.
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