Banning PVs: Why Governments like cigarettes: Conspiracy Theory #792

[191ahc]

The banning of PVs is a mystery to me. Sure, there are lots of puritan prudes who don't want anyone to do anything they don't personally approve of. But why ban something so obviously helpful to people getting off of tobacco? Ignorance? Arrogance? Control Freakishness?

The advantage of cigarette taxes to governments has been mentioned frequently. Another possibility is that the early deaths of cigarette smokers prevents that much more money being paid out in Social Security or equivalent retirement funds; saving money too.

The health care costs for lung cancer patients is absorbed by insurance companies; but "lucky" for them lung cancer patients don't last long, minimizing the drain on their resources.

Banning ecigs is a mystery to me.

 

[the86d]

Control phreaks mainly, and some feel the need to enforce their (Im)morals on everyone with a bit of ignorance, you know how many people don't have the morals to signal...

 

[instamix]

Any particular puritans you want to point out?

I'm from Kansas (not particularly left winged here)

Are state atty general says vape away...

Big tobacco..

Big pharma..

Big insurance.. ALL upstanding honest totaly trust worthy

 

[5cardstud]

I would say beings a carton now costs around $75.00 or more and most of it being taxes would be a good place to start.Then there is the Pharmacies that aren't selling as much of their stop smoking remedies. But most of all any time the government gets involved in matters it almost never makes any sense. I can write for days about illogical things the government does.

 

[HighHeeledGoddess]

Why?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Big brother (control), big taxes, big pharma, and on and on. Follow the money trail.

 

[instamix]

Tax dollars for tobacco that hasn't even been sold yet has already been spent.....

 

[191ahc]

Tax dollars for tobacco that hasn't even been sold yet has already been spent.....

Agreed; as has the income taxes for the next generation!

I disageee about "big pharma" however, HHG. They could go into the PV business (via subsidiaries and with the proper public relations spin) and make as much as they make on patches/gum/etc.

 

[Bill Godshall]

Most e-cigarette sales bans were done so by government health agency officials who are either abstinence-only anti-tobacco/nicotine extremists (who don't want smokers to reduce their health risks by switching to far less hazardous alternatives) and/or who believe that e-cigarettes are smoking cessation drug products that haven't been adequately tested or approved as a drug device.

Also, many/most organizations and individuals that urged governments to ban the sale and/or use of e-cigarettes have been funded by drug companies (that manufacture/market smoking cessation drugs) because drug companies correctly realize that e-cigarettes (and smokeless tobacco products) are their biggest competitors, and that e-cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products are more effective (than NRT) as cigarette substitutes and because e-cigarettes and smokeless tobacco are less expensive than NRT.

 

[HighHeeledGoddess]

Agreed; as has the income taxes for the next generation!

I disageee about "big pharma" however, HHG. They could go into the PV business (via subsidiaries and with the proper public relations spin) and make as much as they make on patches/gum/etc.

I disagree, because you are neglecting to consider the success rate of PVs versus the success rate of NRT products. Why would they want to sell you 1 product that works when they can keep you on the hook for 10 that don't work? The only pay back would come from the possibility you will live longer as a nonsmoker, and survive through more complex and costly medical procedures.

 

[instamix]

Money's in the treatment NOT the cure---

Why do I feel like we're going in circles here...lol

 

[5cardstud]

I disagree, because you are neglecting to consider the success rate of PVs versus the success rate of NRT products. Why would they want to sell you 1 product that works when they can keep you on the hook for 10 that don't work? The only pay back would come from the possibility you will live longer as a nonsmoker, and survive through more complex and costly medical procedures.

Plus all they already have invested in those products like inventory, tooling, packaging, etc.

 

[HighHeeledGoddess]

Plus all they already have invested in those products like inventory, tooling, packaging, etc.

True, and lets not forget the costs of R&D that must be recouped, in addition to losing out on further funding for new products.

Sort of like any major illness. Why cure it when there is so much profit to be had attempting to cure it?

 

[191ahc]

I disagree, because you are neglecting to consider the success rate of PVs versus the success rate of NRT products. Why would they want to sell you 1 product that works when they can keep you on the hook for 10 that don't work? The only pay back would come from the possibility you will live longer as a nonsmoker, and survive through more complex and costly medical procedures.

I do not think of BigPharma as a cabal. I think they are capitalists and want to make more money than their competitors. I wouldn't be surprised if they did take PVs a big leap "forward" and add MAOIs( thanks Vapormuse), or any other drugs to this "new" delivery system. Just speculating here...However PVs are not as neat and unobtrusive as pills--so I quess this is unlikely.
Do the same companies that make NRT products also make chemotherapy products?

Do most individuals go through large amounts of patches, gum, lozengers ($$$$) before they return to analogs?

 

[191ahc]

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Sort of like any major illness. Why cure it when there is so much profit to be had attempting to cure it?

This one I must take issue with...anyone who cures a disease gets, IIRC, 17 years to make tons of money and great public relations before its released as a generic. Selling a "cure" is where the money is at...the bad public relations of knowingly keeping a cure off the market would ruin a company...someone would squeal.

 

[Mr.Mad]

Its simple why they dont want us using PV's .. They want us to keep smoking analogs so it speeds up our deaths.. THEY WANT US ALL TO DIE DIE DIE.









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