im going to buy a large stash soon, something like 12 liters while its on sale. so what ratio should i be buying. normally when long term storage wasnt a concern i was buying 50-50 PG VG mix base 100. im going to buy glass bottles and break this down as recommended. when long term storage is the primary consideration, what ratio should i buy. i think i read that PG breaks down less then VG so this means i should be buying 100% VG base? am i correct? i am about to spend quite a bit to ensure the wife and i will both be able to vape for the next 20+ years.
base liquid long term storage, PG vs. VG
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Since reading this from Wizard Labs
"On a side note, during our stability testing we've consistently witnessed
faster oxidation of VG based solutions in comparison to PG based solutions."
I buy all my nic with PG.
"On a side note, during our stability testing we've consistently witnessed
faster oxidation of VG based solutions in comparison to PG based solutions."
I buy all my nic with PG.
Well, first, I'd never buy it in any PG/VG mix. I'd always buy it in either 100% PG or 100% VG.
I always buy mine in a 100% VG base, because my final eliquid ratio is higher in VG. I vape 40PG/60VG eliquid.
Depending upon your desired final ratio...it can be a small problem if you're trying to make high VG eliquids (like 75% VG or higher)...but you got your Nic in 100% PG. You might not be able to achieve the VG% you want, because your nic is PG based and most flavorings used in DIY are also PG based.
I always buy mine in a 100% VG base, because my final eliquid ratio is higher in VG. I vape 40PG/60VG eliquid.
Depending upon your desired final ratio...it can be a small problem if you're trying to make high VG eliquids (like 75% VG or higher)...but you got your Nic in 100% PG. You might not be able to achieve the VG% you want, because your nic is PG based and most flavorings used in DIY are also PG based.
I bought 75pg/25vg 100mg/ml nic just because it matches closely with what I normally vape. Calculators take it all in stride and let you put the variables in according to what you are using, so it doesn't really matter from a mixing standpoint.
I've also read that Nic remains stable longer in PG than VG where oxidation is a concern.
I vape 70pg/30vg. My two liters of 100mg/ml nic will last me 18 years vaping two Kayfun tanks a day at 3mg strength. I calculated 10ml/day for my nic usage just to have a round number with a fudge factor.
Even if you are a high VG or PG vaper, the nic is only a small part of the total mix. It really won't make a difference in the result because it's calculated into the mix when you input the mixes of your supplies, including the makeup of the nic base.
I use the Ejuice Me Up calculator. When you input your nic base, you also input the mix of PG/VG in the nic base and it's calculated and adjusted in the final mix amounts. You can use whatever nic mix you want and the result will come out fine.
I've also read that Nic remains stable longer in PG than VG where oxidation is a concern.
I vape 70pg/30vg. My two liters of 100mg/ml nic will last me 18 years vaping two Kayfun tanks a day at 3mg strength. I calculated 10ml/day for my nic usage just to have a round number with a fudge factor.
Even if you are a high VG or PG vaper, the nic is only a small part of the total mix. It really won't make a difference in the result because it's calculated into the mix when you input the mixes of your supplies, including the makeup of the nic base.
I use the Ejuice Me Up calculator. When you input your nic base, you also input the mix of PG/VG in the nic base and it's calculated and adjusted in the final mix amounts. You can use whatever nic mix you want and the result will come out fine.
I beg to differ with you about the above! Your nic base does make a difference in whether or not your desired final PG/VG ratios can be met with many recipes! I buy my nic in 100% VG base. Based upon my experiences making eliquids for some friends who vape 20PG/80VG... when you factor flavorings % (in PG bases) into a calculator...it will show you at times that your desired final ratio cannot be achieved. It may be close, but will be off, and that's with a 100% VG base.
IF I'd bought a 100% PG base for my nic...and tried to make their final desired ratio with the same flavorings and % in the recipes they like...the final ratio would be even MORE off than in my 100% VG Base!
All my stock is in PG. However, I recently got a bunch of "premium" nic on sale at Heartland. As it came in 120 ml bottles, and I have run into issues getting my VG up to 70 in some mixes using a lot of flavoring, I went for VG this round. However, I expect to use this stuff before my other stock, so if oxidation does occur faster in VG than PG (which I've also read elsewhere) it won't really mater as it will be the first to get mixed.
That's true if you vape 100% PG or VG juice. You don't want to mix in PG (or VG) if you don't want it in your juice. With a median mix of PG or VG I've never had a problem achieving a good mix that takes into account the mix of my nic, but my juices are in the median range 80/20, 70/30, and 60/40. I buy my nic in 75pg/25/vg mixes that are close to my final juice mix.
I agree that those who vape 100% PG or VG don't need the other in their nic. It's why nic is available in various mixes for dilution. Otherwise, we'd have to deal with something like 99% pure nic where two drops on the skin could result in death.
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Nevermind. Just disregard my post, 'cause I guess I'm not making myself clear with what I was trying to say. You're still talking about the mix of PG & VG in the base not making a difference. That's not what I was talking about at all.
I guess I can see that you are saying that some calculators won't work with certain nic base pg/vg percentages. Mine does as far as I know. After all, we are only talking about a few milliliters of pg and/or vg in the small amount of nic base it takes to DIY a bottle of juice. The calculator is supposed to subtract the pg or vg in the nic from the recipe amounts. Maybe some have faulty math.
100mg/ml Nic base comes in standard configurations from all PG or VG to various mixes that you choose dependent on what's closest to your desired mix. Nude Nicotine comes in 100% PG or VG, 50/50, or 70/30 with 70% PG or VG. MyFreedomSmokes is the same except the mix is 100% PG or VG, 50/50, or 75/25 in PG or VG in the mix of your choice at those levels. You buy what's exact or closest to your favorite mix.
Maybe I'm missing something. If you vape 100% VG then you'd pick the one mixed with 100%VG.
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I prefer working with 100mg PG nic.
Vaping unflavored I could mix up to 10/90vg, by just adding VG.
This is too thick for me, so I also add PG to make 25/75vg unflavored.
I could add up to 20%pg flavoring, to make 27/73vg.
The most flavoring I use is around 2-8%.
You just have to play with the #s, to see what will work for you.
Vaping unflavored I could mix up to 10/90vg, by just adding VG.
This is too thick for me, so I also add PG to make 25/75vg unflavored.
I could add up to 20%pg flavoring, to make 27/73vg.
The most flavoring I use is around 2-8%.
You just have to play with the #s, to see what will work for you.
No, No...see, there you go again...thinking I'm talking about nic base that has both PG & VG in it...a MIX. That's not what I've been talking about at all...but you still think I am! That's why I just said nevermind. I'm beating a dead horse here I guess. I'm outta here.
My PG base doesn't freeze but my mostly VG mixed juice turns in to VG slushies in the freezer.
I understand what you're saying. At 80/20 you've got room for 20% PG based flavorings if your nic is in VG. Go over 20 % flavorings and you'll get "can't add enough VG" errors. If your nic is in PG, you've got even less room for PG based flavorings. The potential issue of flavorings not carrying so well at high VG ratios kind of compounds the problem, since I might be tempted to start bumping up flavor ratios at 80/20.
This is why I settled on 70/30 using nic in VG. Room for only 20% flavoring can be problematic, but room for 30% is more than I'll ever need.
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