Basic newbie questions

[Schmoo]

Folks, I apologize for the newbie questions but trust me, I've spent a lot of time reading and still have some confusion - partly because I find contradictory information everywhere. I hate when people come on forums asking questions before doing their research but I've tried.

While I've been vaping for over a year, it's been with a Juul. (3rd party pods) My flavored pod horde is about to be exhausted so here I am.

What I'm looking for is something comparable to what my Juul with 3% pods gave me - smoothness (I do NOT want a harsh throat feel like many seem to be after), availability of nice flavors, no need for a lot of nicotine, no need for 'clouds'. I was using the 3% not really because of the lower nicotine but because it wasn't as harsh as the 5-6% pods.

I guess my question is what type juice and coil resistance should I be looking for? I purchased a Smok NFix and like the device but I seem to be getting a tad bit of juice in my mouth regardless of what wattage I set it to. (I've tried multiple .8 Ohm coils and 3mg juice labeled for "subohm" use) I also seem to be getting a lot more nicotine than I'm used to.

I've also tried a Novo 2 and occasionally get that juice in my mouth but not nearly as often. I also seem to be getting a lot more nicotine than I'm used to.

Obviously I'm doing something wrong.

Another thing I'm confused about is the wide range of nicotine strengths - 3% on up to 55+%? I must be missing something because the 3% seems to be killing me, again I must be doing something wrong.

Suggestions for what I should be looking at to find something comparable to the 3% Juul?

Thanks

 

[WorksForMe]

You should check out this forum, btw there is no 55% eliquid. That might really kill you.

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[Schmoo]

You should check out this forum, btw there is no 55% eliquid. That might really kill you.

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I'll check out your link. I meant milligrams above when I said %!

Edit: I did read quite a bit in the forum you linked and didn't find my answers.

 

[Territoo]

I'm a sub-ohm vaper and I can tell you are on the right track with the pod systems, but someone who is a MTL vapor can probably best answer the question about the spit back you are having. My guess is that you should try a coil with a higher resistance, say 1.2 ohms or more, and use lower wattage. As to your other questions, juul 3% is 30mg/ml nicotine strength. Most commercial juice is measured in mg/ml and would go up to 55mg/ml not 55%, that would be 550mg/ml and be toxic to vape. Juul also uses nicotine salts which is more addictive and less harsh than nicotine base. Commercial and DIY nicotine is available in nicotine salts and would be a good choice for you. So Juul 3% would be a commercial or DIY juice of 30mg/ml nicotine salts. Most commercial juices are 28mg/ml, not 30, but that's close enough.

 

[HigherStateD]

Spitback, as it's known, can be caused by a few things, of which your draw strength, as in, how hard you suck, and the ratio of VG in the juice are primarily the culprits. Not properly priming the coil could also be a cause, as well as a bad seal where the coil meets the pod.
As for DIY juice, there are actually two main kinds of salt nic, smooth, which you'd prefer, and hit, which you wouldn't. JuuL uses smooth, but afaik, also doesn't use the acid portion to measure nicotine strength, which is contrasting to how others measure, so their percentage would be higher....
As for you getting more Nick than your used to, the spitback would be my guess as to why, along with possibly a higher wattage device.
Have you looked at refillable JuuL pods?

 

[Territoo]

@HigherStateD is right. If you stay at the sub ohm vaping wattage, you need to stay at the lower nic level. Only increase your nic level if you decrease the wattage and increase coil resistance. Trying to vape 28mg/ml on a sub-ohm device, while not unheard of, is a lot of nicotine.

 

[borno]

I like the 1.4 ohm nord coil for salt nik. I have a couple of the nord or rpm coil pods. I won a smok nord2 on here from sourcemor and like it a lot. I use a couple rba coils too. I keepthe watts about 10 or 12 for me using 35 or 50 mg. I started with a rpm 40 and have a fetch mini as well. I think the nord2 is my favorite.

 

[HigherStateD]

@Territoo I was vaping DIY hit salts @35mg on the nord 0.6ohm coil before I got my first VW 510 modular mod. I wouldn't recommend it unless your trying to quit a chain-smoking cigar habit. The nord has good coils, the seal at the top of the chimney is where I got eventual spitback. A new pod would have solved the issue, but I went with a topside squonker instead. Customization is where it's at, and not paying a buck a coil that only lasted a week is nice too.

 

[Territoo]

@Territoo I was vaping DIY hit salts @35mg on the nord 0.6ohm coil before I got my first VW 510 modular mod. I wouldn't recommend it unless your trying to quit a chain-smoking cigar habit. The nord has good coils, the seal at the top of the chimney is where I got eventual spitback. A new pod would have solved the issue, but I went with a topside squonker instead. Customization is where it's at, and not paying a buck a coil that only lasted a week is nice too.

I'm not too familiar with pods, particularly the nord. I got a couple of pod systems in my stash and I've tried them and put them away for emergency use. I use strictly a dual mod with various types of tanks, including rebuldables. I would say that you are the one the OP should rely on when it comes to pod systems.

 

[AngeNZ]

Folks, I apologize for the newbie questions but trust me, I've spent a lot of time reading and still have some confusion - partly because I find contradictory information everywhere. I hate when people come on forums asking questions before doing their research but I've tried.

While I've been vaping for over a year, it's been with a Juul. (3rd party pods) My flavored pod horde is about to be exhausted so here I am.

What I'm looking for is something comparable to what my Juul with 3% pods gave me - smoothness (I do NOT want a harsh throat feel like many seem to be after), availability of nice flavors, no need for a lot of nicotine, no need for 'clouds'. I was using the 3% not really because of the lower nicotine but because it wasn't as harsh as the 5-6% pods.

I guess my question is what type juice and coil resistance should I be looking for? I purchased a Smok NFix and like the device but I seem to be getting a tad bit of juice in my mouth regardless of what wattage I set it to. (I've tried multiple .8 Ohm coils and 3mg juice labeled for "subohm" use) I also seem to be getting a lot more nicotine than I'm used to.

I've also tried a Novo 2 and occasionally get that juice in my mouth but not nearly as often. I also seem to be getting a lot more nicotine than I'm used to.

Obviously I'm doing something wrong.

Another thing I'm confused about is the wide range of nicotine strengths - 3% on up to 55+%? I must be missing something because the 3% seems to be killing me, again I must be doing something wrong.

Suggestions for what I should be looking at to find something comparable to the 3% Juul?

Thanks

If you like the mouth to lung (MTL) type of inhale you got with the Juul device, the Smok Nfix kit and the Novo 2 pod, then you are what we call a MTL vaper. This means you use may use higher mg nicotine, and inhale less vapour

There's two types of nicotine juices: freebase nicotine from 3mg - 18mg (usually) and nicotine salts - 3mg to 50+mg. Freebase has a throat hit, whereas Salts are a lot smoother. It sounds like you definitely prefer the smoother nicotine salts.

As your new pods produce more vapour and have more airflow than the Juul, you will probably be getting a higher nicotine hit per vape, than you were with the Juul device.

All you need to do is get some lower strength Nicotine Salt juice. Instead of 30mg/3% try 24mg/2.4% or even 20mg/2%.

And there's lots of pod options for the Novo 2:

Novo2 - Pod System Vapes | SMOK® Official Site
Just because some are below 1ohm, that doesn't mean you need subohm juice. How you inhale - MTL or Direct to Lung (DL) determines that. When you vape DL, usually you just halve the nicotine strength that you'd use vaping MTL

 

[JCinFLA]

If you like the mouth to lung (MTL) type of inhale you got with the Juul device, the Smok Nfix kit and the Novo 2 pod, then you are what we call a MTL vaper. This means you use higher mg nicotine, and inhale less vapour

I disagree with the part I made bold above. There is no general rule or equivalence regarding the nic mg people vape...based on whether they vape MTL or DTL or even neither of those. There are MTL vapers who vape lower mg nic eliquids, just as there are DTL vapers who don't vape really lower mg nic eliquids. Those of us who vape neither don't follow any general rule either.

I've never been a DTL vaper, nor a MTL vaper. I bring my vapor to the back of my throat and then exhale out my mouth and/or nose...yet I never vape higher than 7mg DIY eliquids. Many MTL vapers I know vape as low as 2-6mg eliquids. I also know several DTL vapers who regularly vape 10-12mg and higher eliquids. We all vape the nic mg that suits us and works for us...not according to what type of vaper we are.

In fact, the nicotine in vapor is actually absorbed more readily in the cheek linings, sinus cavities, and nasal passages...than in the lungs. So MTL vapers don't have to vape higher mg nic eliquids to get enough nicotine...since more is absorbed before they ever inhale the vapor to their lungs. The nicotine in tobacco is the opposite though and is absorbed more readily in the lungs.

 

[AngeNZ]

I disagree with the part I made bold above. There is no general rule or equivalence regarding the nic mg people vape...based on whether they vape MTL or DTL. There are MTL vapers who vape lower mg nic eliquids, just as there are DTL vapers who don't vape really lower mg nic eliquids.

I've never been a DTL vaper, nor a MTL vaper. I bring my vapor to the back of my throat and then exhale out my mouth and/or nose...yet I never vape higher than 7mg DIY eliquids. Many MTL vapers I know vape as low as 2-6mg eliquids. I also know several DTL vapers who regularly vape 10-12mg and higher eliquids. We all vape the nic mg that suits us and works for us...not according to what type of vaper we are.

In fact, the nicotine in vapor is actually absorbed more readily in the cheek linings, sinus cavities, and nasal passages...than in the lungs. So MTL vapers don't have to vape higher mg nic eliquids to get enough nicotine...since more is absorbed before they ever inhale the vapor to their lungs. The nicotine in tobacco is the opposite though and is absorbed more readily in the lungs.

You are 100% correct - in trying to keep it simple I was generalizing.

I'm a MTL vaper who uses 7mg juice, in DL RDAs and RTAs at 25-30 watts - so I also don't fit into any traditional category