Batteries--Protected or Unprotected

[jocat54]

I have been doing a lot of research on mods and thought that I understood that unprotected batteries should be used and then I read this http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected.html and it says unprotected batteries should never be used.
Us newbies get really confused over all this.

 

[VaporClouds]

You can use unprotected in mods that have built in protection like variable voltage and variable wattage and you use protected batteries in mechanical mods.
Just use AW IMR batteries either way

 

[Katya]

Please read this very informative blog entry by Baditude:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected.html

 

[Cliven]

IMR (Li Mn) batteries are the safest batteries available to us for vaping.

Unprotected Li Ions are what they are saying should never be used.

 

[jocat54]

Please read this very informative blog entry by Baditude:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected.html

That is where I read that unprotected should never be used. (The link in my original post)

 

[mrdeltoid]

You can use unprotected in mods that have built in protection like variable voltage and variable wattage and you use protected batteries in mechanical mods.

Actually, unprotected, IMR batteries are recommended for use in both regulated and mechanical mods.

 

[jocat54]

You can use unprotected in mods that have built in protection like variable voltage and variable wattage and you use protected batteries in mechanical mods.
Just use AW IMR batteries either way

This makes some sense to me, thanks.

 

[Caridwen]

Actually, unprotected, IMR batteries are recommended for use in both regulated and mechanical mods.

This is what the OP is having difficulty understanding.

 

[Katya]

That is where I read that unprotected should never be used. (The link in my original post)

Sorry.

Bad and Rolygate stress that Unprotected Li Ion batteries should NEVER be used in a mod.

Our advice is that the best and the safer choice of battery for APVs is the AW IMR Li-Mn rechargeable.

More from Rolygate:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html#post2029353

 

[bacc.vap]

Essentially you should never use unprotected batteries. Protected batteries have a built in protection circuit. The confusion arises when batteries with safer chemistry come in to play(like IMR), they are not called protected because they don't have a built in protection ciruit, but they are for all intents and purposes safe, and sometimes even safer to use due to their chemical makeup.

 

[Gr8Scott]

If it's any consolation, I have been doing this for a year and am still learning. It just means you are alive

Anyway, I will share some data.

Firstly a lot depends on your PV.(Mod).

Most variable voltage variable wattage PVs have built in protection. So, personally I don't have any problems with unprotected.

BUT...

I also don't touch any battery (for my mod) that isn't a Panasonic or a Sanyo. I have overwhelming evidence that AW is extremely reliable, yet I haven't actually used any of his cells.


EDIT/ADD

Don't buy any of those batteries with a "fire" in their name. Junk, total junk.

Also recommend you get an Intellicharge i4 or i2. A good charger is very important. A multimeter is pretty important as well. Don't ever let your batteries go below 3 volts, most mods have an auto shut off at around 3 to 3.5 volts.

The biggest danger in unprotected batteries is attempting to use them in an unprotected mod, i.e. a mechanical.

Now if you are building your own coils ala Rebuildable atomizers, you don't want to make them under 1.25Ω or you can run into safety factors with regard to your battery.


There is much research to do. If you are just brand new and you have a VV/VW PV, the get a pair of the Panasonic CGR18650CH and you should be just fine.

 

[jocat54]

Thanks to all who have replied. I think my feeble mind is understanding more

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Unprotected ICR cells should not be used in a mechanical mod. They might be safe for occasional, light use in a regulated mod with built in protection circuitry, provided that you are not using high drain devices on them. ICR's should absolutely never be used for sub-ohm or even low resistance (1.5 or lower) coils. Ever.

Unprotected IMR cells can be used in both mechanicals and regulated systems. Their protection lies in the chemistry of the battery and its ability to respond to high drain situations more elegantly.

Protected cells can be used in mechanicals, but don't work well at all in regulated mods. Protected IMR is better than protected ICR for the chemistry reasons mentioned above.

Batteries with a hybrid chemistry like the Panasonic CGR/CH 18650's are also made with safer chemistry and are the ones I use in my regulated device.

 

[Caridwen]

OP, I think it depends on what APV you are using. What are you getting batteries for?

 

[Baditude]

Bottom line, when in doubt, use the red AW IMR (safe chemistry/high drain) for either mechanical or regulated mods.

Regulated mods and mechanical mods that use a Kick (making it a regulated mod) require high drain batteries to operate optimally. These are IMR batteries. Protected ICR or li ion batteries may not have the maximum load current for these applications and are not the best choice.

IMR batteries are the safer and best performing batteries for all applications. I see the future of protected li ion batteries fading in the wind for APV applications.

It's true, protected batteries were once the recommend batteries for use in mods. Since then its been decided by battery experts that IMR batteries are recommended because of their greater safety. Any recommendations you see for protected batteries are out-dated.

Un-protected NCR batteries have NO APPLICATION for either a mechanical or regulated mod. These are used for other applications like flash lights and laptops. This is why you can see them for sale at FastTech, EBay, and Amazon as they do not distinguish the application that they can be used for.

It's best for a novice who may not understand battery chemistry to purchase from a vendor who specializes in mod batteries to know you are purchasing the safest and correct battery for your mod. So only purchase IMR or Hybrid batteries from these sites. RTD Vapor

If you are using extreme sub-ohm vaping (< 0.8 ohm), you need special IMR batteries, which are specified in the previous links from my blog. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected Batteries?

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

OP, I think it depends on what APV you are using. What are you getting batteries for?

Good question. Searched and found that he has 2 X iTaste VV V3 in transit...hope he realizes they have self contained batteries.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...your-opinion-innokin-mods-4.html#post10861279

 

[jocat54]

Good question. Searched and found that he has 2 X iTaste VV V3 in transit...hope he realizes they have self contained batteries.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...your-opinion-innokin-mods-4.html#post10861279

I do realize they are self contained on the iTaste V3, but you never know when the billfold will say it's okay for another
Just doing some research for when that time arrives.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I do realize they are self contained on the iTaste V3, but you never know when the billfold will say it's okay for another
Just doing some research for when that time arrives.

Love it when I hear about people Christmas Wishlist shopping ahead of time

 

[ceejay]

cheapest place to get AW IMR 18350's?

 

[BobVan]

A newbee here, but with some understanding of battery tech.
Throughout all of this discussion, no one has defined the difference-
"protected" vs "unprotected".
The issue is being discussed without any specific definition of terms.
What defines the choice, what makes us afraid?
My limited knowledge (electric radio control) tells me that a Li cell
can only be discharged to a certain point
otherwise (potentially dangerous) destruction of the cell is a risk.
So, I need to ask, are "unprotected" cells subject to this danger
and "protected" cells designed to eliminate operator error...
Or am I missing something?

Much of this thread reads like, "don't touch a hot stove".
Perhaps good advice for the child.
but certainly not enough information to cook a dinner.