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The Vamo V5 chip should have a 5a limit, assuming the fake trust/ultrafires are anywhere near the ratings of real trust/ultrafire 18650's, they should be good up to 6-7amps, ie the vamo would shut down before causing an issue.

The issue is, you have no idea what the specs are on those batteries since they're fakes, its probably not likely you'll have trouble, but its still possible.

Even authentic Trust/ultrafires are generally considered a poor quality battery anyway, so you may be better served by grabbing some better quality, more reliable cells from Sony, AW, or Efest.
 

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In general any battery/charger with "fire" in the name is not a quality battery/charger.

How to Spot Fake Sony Batteries
Sony Real vs Fake.jpg

Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.

* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics

Check out a blog post by Baditude (our resident battery/safety expert) regarding batteries and chargers

Battery Basics for Mods
- choose the safest and right battery for your applications here. Includes a list of name brand, high-drain, safe-chemistry batteries with mAh & amp ratings in 18350, 18490/18500, and 18650 sizes
 

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Thanks for all the advice. Just ordered from Orbtronic Panasonic18650 IMR High Drain Panasonic CGR18650CH 10A Rechargeable Battery Cell and a good digital charger. What should I do with the ultrafire clones now? Bought 4 of them and a cheap charger.

You can still use them, anything 1.5ohm resistance or higher should be fine, they should be able to safely power most 'standard' clearos etc (1.6-2.2ohm range usually) at normal voltage ranges. No idea what kind of actually battery life you'll get out of them.

Or as Susan said, buy a flashlight that takes 18650's.:vapor:
 

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You should be able to use them without anything going wrong. Personally I wouldn't use them just because you don't know what kind of C rating those things have for sure. IMO just buy some new batteries from a reputable dealer since batteries are pretty inexpensive for good ones. I honestly don't think its worth the risk but you just have to make that judgment call.
 

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You can still use them, anything 1.5ohm resistance or higher should be fine, they should be able to safely power most 'standard' clearos etc (1.6-2.2ohm range usually) at normal voltage ranges. No idea what kind of actually battery life you'll get out of them.

Or as Susan said, buy a flashlight that takes 18650's.:vapor:

I'll be using an aerotank with 2.0 ohm resistance coils, so I can use them for backup maybe?
 
my local shop was closed, so i bought an efest from a different joint. and what do you know. its fake. i cant trust anybody besides the guys i know at my local shop. i suggest you get cool with them. seriously. you haveto know them and get in the groove before you can trust them. yes, it really is that bad when it comes to counterfeit equipment.
 

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You can still use them, anything 1.5ohm resistance or higher should be fine, they should be able to safely power most 'standard' clearos etc (1.6-2.2ohm range usually) at normal voltage ranges. No idea what kind of actually battery life you'll get out of them.

Or as Susan said, buy a flashlight that takes 18650's.:vapor:

Yeah but you may not be able to use them at all in a Vamo. If they are typical {Blank}Fires they will have protection circuits - and the Vamo electronics don't work well - if at all - with protected cell batteries.
 

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Just purchased a Vamo V5 from fasttech. Ordered batteries and a charger on ebay only to find out that they are fakes. I ordered what I thought to be ultrafire 4500mah 18650 batteries only to find out ultrafire doesn't make a battery over 3000mah. Will these be safe to use?

First, report the seller and their counterfeits to ebay. You will eventually get your money back. .. And, I'm going to disagree that they would be safe for higher ohm stuff or for any purpose at all. Don't use them for anything. When you get your money back, discard/recycle them.

The problem with counterfeits... and gee whiz, if someone is making money counterfeiting a low quality, low price, budget cell like a trustfire or ultrafire--- is that you do not know where they got the cells. They might have come from old laptop batteries - they might have come from a warehouse fire - they might have come from recycled power tools - they might have come from a shipping container that got flooded in Japan during the tsunami.... You just don't know where they came from or what condition they were in when they got wrapped. Do not use them for anything.
 
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Good excuse to buy a ten $ flashlight.

Ultrafires are`nt very good to begin with, and they certainly are not made for vaping. A fake ultrafire, I can only imagine what its made with. Then thing is that batteries can and do have defects faults ect. And because you cant see inside of them or inspect them any further then the wrapper, you don`t really know until they start sizzling or they take your equipment out.

Batteries are the one thing you cant do cheap in vaping. But they could run a FL for as long as they last, or dont.
 

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You should be able to use them without anything going wrong. Personally I wouldn't use them just because you don't know what kind of C rating those things have for sure. IMO just buy some new batteries from a reputable dealer since batteries are pretty inexpensive for good ones. I honestly don't think its worth the risk but you just have to make that judgment call.
Use them but I wouldn't use them? The fact is trustfire batteries are cheap junk and should be disposed of.
 

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In general any battery/charger with "fire" in the name is not a quality battery/charger.

How to Spot Fake Sony Batteries
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Only buy batteries from a reputable supplier (not ebay or Amazon) as there are many counterfeit batteries being sold. Here are several reputable battery suppliers in the US.

* RTD Vapor
* Illumination Supply
* Lighthound
* Orbtronics

Check out a blog post by Baditude (our resident battery/safety expert) regarding batteries and chargers

Battery Basics for Mods
- choose the safest and right battery for your applications here. Includes a list of name brand, high-drain, safe-chemistry batteries with mAh & amp ratings in 18350, 18490/18500, and 18650 sizes
Just read that, was EXTREAMLY helpful!
 
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