battery confusion

[junkfixr]

I've been reading posts and battery stickies here and I'm nearly as confused as I was when I started reading. I got a deal on a Vamo v6 and from what I understood, since it's a protected device, it won't work well with a protected battery. I ordered a couple of Samsung 18650's with 2600 mah (ICR) and now I'm reading that the ICR (unprotected) isn't as safe as IMR, or INR.

I need advice before I order any more batteries, and I'm hoping there's something that will run a mech mod as well as a regulated mod. Is this possible or do I need specific batteries for each mod? Should I worry about the ICR's in the protected mod? I'm kinda lost in all this, if someone could be so kind as to clear this up for me. (Not into sub ohming yet, using Nautilus Mini and building Protank coils.)

 

[danca90]

I tend to cut out the middle man, and only use IMR's. I like MNKE, myself.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

When buying batteries for vaping you want high drain IMR / hybrid 'safer' chemistry.
The Samsung 2600mah batteries you bought are 2C / 5.2a CDR and are not high drain, I wouldn't use ICR's for vaping purposes.

Depending on which manufacturers rendition of the vamo you have it could have a 2.5a ~ 7a out put limit.
I would recommend batteries with at least a 10a cdr, 14a cdr would be better, even higher cdr would be better but not necessary for the vamo, but would be for a mechanical depending of the ohm range you intend to use.

 

[roosterado]

These would work fine in your regulated mod as long as it does not fire below .5 ohm Its a 10 amp continuous ouput battery - you could also Check the Specs of The Vamo's Amp Control Chip Amp limit [someone has posted the vamo Amp little above] it is probably below 10amps. I use these in A sigeili 20watt and 30watt without any issue.
NCR18650PF 18650 Panasonic Rechargeable Li-ion Battery Flat Top



http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/batteries-chargers/549252-panasonic-18650s-3100-3400-mah.html

 

[junkfixr]

Got the batteries from vapingme.com. After reading info here, I thought something didn't add up.
Biggest confusion is about unprotected batteries. Is it safe to assume the IMR, or any of the Lithium Ion batteries will work in the Vamo? I don't get the whole "protected" and "unprotected" thing concerning batteries. It supposedly won't fire under 1ohm. Another site stated .8 ohm or above.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

The protected / unprotected has only to do with ICR batteries.
IMR / hybrid are safer chemistry without need of protection circuit/pcb.


You don't need much over 10a cdr for the vamo.

Orbtronic sx30 2100mah 30a CDR.
Sony VTC4 2100mah 30a CDR.
Xtar 2100mah 30a CDR - re wrapped vtc4.
AW 1600mah 24a CDR.
AW 2200mah 20A CDR.
LG he2 2500mah 20a cdr
Samsung 25r 2500mah 20a CDR.
Samsung 20r 2000mah 22a CDR

 

[junkfixr]

That's starting to make more sense. I don't know why they even sell ICR batteries on a vape site, although the Vamo and SVD are about the only 18650 mods they offer. Although 10 amps is sufficient, if I went higher, say 25 or 30, would it power VW and mechanical mods?

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Yes a good battery will power both a vv/vw APV and a mechanical as long as you don't exceed the CDR of the battery when using the mechanical.

 

[Ryedan]

That's starting to make more sense. I don't know why they even sell ICR batteries on a vape site, although the Vamo and SVD are about the only 18650 mods they offer. Although 10 amps is sufficient, if I went higher, say 25 or 30, would it power VW and mechanical mods?

I totally agree with you about the ICR batteries. Those are the ones that burn when they vent. Not good!

Once you have IMR or hybrid batteries, the only thing left to make sure of is that they can handle the amp draw you will put on them. In a regulated mod you will be limited by the mod, so find its amp limit and that's what you need.

In a mechanical mod the resistance of your coil(s) draws a certain number of amps at a certain battery voltage. Here's a online Ohm's law calculator. Your battery will be 4.2V fresh off the charger so plug that in. Enter 1 ohm as the resistance and you'll see a battery draw of 4.2A. Change to 0.5 ohms and you get 8.4A. Change to 3.6V and you get 7.2A. You get the idea

I don't run my 30A batteries below 0.2 ohms and my 20A batteries below 0.3 ohms. That gives me a bit of headroom for error.

 

[joose junkie]

for what youre doing, i would recommend efast 2500 mah 35 amp batteries. they are protected, but they have enough kick to function well in a vamo.

 

[junkfixr]

Thanks to all for great advice. I've learned a lot in one day about mod batteries and according to the calculator, as stated, even at .5 ohms, I'd never draw more than 8.4 amps. Since I'm not sub, the 10 amp Panasonic seems like a good starting point.

I've always had positive dealings with vapingme, but not real happy that they would even offer the ICR's on their site, (or that I bought a pair of them.) Oh well, I did get a Nitecore i2, so it's not a total loss. Another case of live-n-learn.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

for what youre doing, i would recommend efast 2500 mah 35 amp batteries. they are protected, but they have enough kick to function well in a vamo.

The efest 2500mah are not protected, they are IMR unprotected.
They have also been tested and confirmed by multiple reputable sources to be re wrapped LGhe2 2500mah batteries with a 20amp continuous discharge rate (CDR).

They are good 20a CDR batteries and will work well in a vamo or a mechanical as long as you do not exceed their true 20a CDR.