Battery do's and don't?

[tearose50]

Here's a pretty alarming comment that Rolygate said about counterfeit batteries. I don't know his specific sources, I sure know he has a lot more than most of us do.

It's in a very informative thread, btw.

(if you don't know who rolygate is, don't dismiss him -- he's ecf staff of long duration & author of the Library here.)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-man-sues-after-explosion-46.html#post5883848

 

[Baditude]

Please let me start out by saying that I'm here to learn. I really like that we are now getting to the point of asking for real and true information when someone says "I read [whatever info]", and not just playing telephone.

Having said that, I read a blog on Reddit, and will quote part of the blog.

"it's not that easy to burn out an IMR!" you're right, under normal circumstances it's not. But these batteries are NOT intended for what we're using them for. In fact, after recent conversations with Panasonic/Sanyo, Sony, and Samsung, they don't even like the fact that we're USING these batteries because they're not intended for single cell, unprotected use in any device. The fact that they're available can be attributed to modders of flashlights, pen lasers and bicycle electronics. A demand formed around those markets and it was filled by various folks, ecigs came along and the demand skyrocketed.

These batteries are not built for what we're doing to them."


My question is ... Is this referring solely to the use of IMRs in the SLR situation, or in general?

Anyone who follows my postings will know that I have been saying the exact same thing about the batteries that we use in vaping. They were not designed for our purposes, we borrowed their use because they were available and the best thing that came the closest to our needs. As our technology in delivery devices have advanced and become more demanding of power sources, the batteries that we use have not advanced at the same rate. Only a select few batteries are capable of supplying the demands that sub ohm vaping demands. Using anything less than these batteries is playing Russian Roulette.

The batteries that we use in general everyday vaping situations are for the most part quite safe. Knowledge of battery safety and mod safety should be learned by every e-cig user, including common sense practices. However, no battery of any kind should be considered totally safe. Please take proper precautions and use common sense when using e-cig batteries.

It's the specialty or advanced vapors who are pushing the batteries to their limits. Hopefully they know what they are doing and using batteries that can keep up to their demands in a safe manner. It's the uneducated vapors who jump straight into sub ohm vaping without doing their homework, and the negligent vape shop owners who are setting up sub ohm coils for noobs who don't own a multimeter that I worry about.

 

[Katdarling]

Bad, I wish there was an ECF Sticky Baditude Thread just for your posts. I find you to be one of the most informative, knowledgeable, concrete, clear, and sincere posters of what we know to be absolutely important information.

 

[dr g]

This link from one of the candle power boards shows FastTech has the capability to re-wrap cheesy batteries to make them look like brand name batteries, including Panasonics.

EDIT: worse than I thought "Make" your own UltraFire 18650s! | BudgetLightForum.com

What the hell are you even talking about? Did you actually read that link? There is not a single mention of fasttech in that entire thread!

Your Google link only took me to the FastTech website. Nice try and thanks for wasting my time.

Come on man don't flat out lie. Just say you didn't click on the link.

"it's not that easy to burn out an IMR!" you're right, under normal circumstances it's not. But these batteries are NOT intended for what we're using them for. In fact, after recent conversations with Panasonic/Sanyo, Sony, and Samsung, they don't even like the fact that we're USING these batteries because they're not intended for single cell, unprotected use in any device. The fact that they're available can be attributed to modders of flashlights, pen lasers and bicycle electronics. A demand formed around those markets and it was filled by various folks, ecigs came along and the demand skyrocketed.

These batteries are not built for what we're doing to them."

This is unnecessarily alarmist. Most regulated mods do have their own protection of some type. This really only applies to unregulated mech mod use.

 

[Katdarling]

Come on man don't flat out lie. Just say you didn't click on the link.



This is unnecessarily alarmist. Most regulated mods do have their own protection of some type. This really only applies to unregulated mech mod use.

Sorry doc, I didn't post it to be an alarmist, but on the other hand, perhaps the clock does need to be set with an alarm. The current trend for many vapers is the search for the almighty dragon cloud, via a mech mod and sub ohm coils. New vapers are often unschooled by their friends or their brick and mortar stores. I'm not attempting to engender a riot here, but to simply/firstly learn, then to teach the truth.

 

[New2vaps]

Just to be on the safe side, is it better to press the power button and hold it for 3 seconds before you vape?

 

[RawnGermy]

I like that and is one of my pet peeves. fasttech gives you batt boxes for free and ships free from the other side of the planet, but any vendor here makes you pay for them.... give me a break.

was surprised when I found them with an order. should be common safety practice.

 

[dr g]

Sorry doc, I didn't post it to be an alarmist, but on the other hand, perhaps the clock does need to be set with an alarm. The current trend for many vapers is the search for the almighty dragon cloud, via a mech mod and sub ohm coils. New vapers are often unschooled by their friends or their brick and mortar stores. I'm not attempting to engender a riot here, but to simply/firstly learn, then to teach the truth.

The truth, although not inaccessible, is not simple. From what I have seen, striving to "simplify the truth" often leads to the teaching of lies.

Just to be on the safe side, is it better to press the power button and hold it for 3 seconds before you vape?

No, if anything that's more dangerous.

 

[Baditude]

Sorry doc, I didn't post it to be an alarmist, but on the other hand, perhaps the clock does need to be set with an alarm. The current trend for many vapers is the search for the almighty dragon cloud, via a mech mod and sub ohm coils. New vapers are often unschooled by their friends or their brick and mortar stores. I'm not attempting to engender a riot here, but to simply/firstly learn, then to teach the truth.

This.

 

[IrishUpstart]

Lol... this went well.

 

[serenity21899]

I think you meant 4 18350 batteries? I was actually wondering about this, is it ok to put 4 18350s in a case meant for 2 18650s? The two batteries would touch on one end, but since there's nothing to complete the full circuit it should be ok right?

Yes I meant 4 18350s. To get 4 in a battery box, flip them the other way.

 

[vang0gh]

Lol... this went well.

Looks like forum posts can explode too!

 

[st0nedpenguin]

Source?

If it helps, one thing to keep in mind about the batteries we're dealing with is they aren't run of the mill batteries. These are proprietary high drain batteries, often with specific chemistries, and any company that can produce the performance we see would not be producing knockoffs, they would be making their own batteries under their own brand.

They're hardly proprietary batteries, they're used in everything from flashlights to laptops and electric vehicles.

 

[dr g]

They're hardly proprietary batteries, they're used in everything from flashlights to laptops and electric vehicles.

The BATTERY is proprietary (i.e. the design and chemistry = capacities and capabilities). Applications are never proprietary, that's ridiculous.

 

[Baditude]

Simmer down on the attitude, good doctor, or you won't last long on this forum. You are consistantly argumentative and demeaning to anyone who does not agree with you. Try to be a little more tactful in your responses and members might actually care what you are talking about.

Telling Jesus he's ridiculous is sacrilegous and blasthemous.

 

[Katdarling]

The truth, although not inaccessible, is not simple. From what I have seen, striving to "simplify the truth" often leads to the teaching of lies.



No, if anything that's more dangerous.

Once again, apologies if I was not clear. I never said the truth is simple nor did I mention simplifying the truth. I said I simply wish to learn, then teach.

 

[Baditude]

Once again, apologies if I was not clear. I never said the truth is simple nor did I mention simplifying the truth. I said I simply wish to learn, then teach.

No need to apolgize, Katdarling. You were perfectly clear. Someone seems to be low on their nic.

 

[Katdarling]

LOL, Bad'tude. Perhaps. I do think it's important to be clear on forum posts. We can see how easy it is to misread what someone is saying. Lacking body language and vocal intonation... welp, that doesn't help much either.

 

[st0nedpenguin]

The BATTERY is proprietary (i.e. the design and chemistry = capacities and capabilities). Applications are never proprietary, that's ridiculous.

They're clearly not proprietary in any way, they're produced by any number of companies in many sizes and shapes and used for any number of applications.

 

[dr g]

They're clearly not proprietary in any way, they're produced by any number of companies in many sizes and shapes

Sorry no, particularly with the aforementioned Panasonic batteries. The hybrid chemistry is proprietary and allows the cells to achieve the capacity and discharge numbers they do. Samsung INRs are special chemistry too. And you have other models like the LG D1 designed to go 4.35v. The Sony 30A is also proprietary.

You can't counterfeit these batteries from run of the mill cells without people noticing.

Like I said, if a factory is capable of making batteries using these chemistries and achieving that performance, they would be selling them legitimately, not counterfeiting.