Battery help please!..

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Hi all, can someone help me out please as i'm unsure if my battery's are safe to use or if I need to replace them.

I started out with being sold 2x BRC 18650 3000mAh li-ion UltraFire for my innokin 134 which I had to re-charge
about 3x in a day just to make it through a day of vaping which isn't practical lol

Anyway I looked online and found some nice Panasonic with high mAh and ended up buying
2x NCR18650A Li-ion MH12210, the guy also sent me out a ICR18650-28A SAMSUNG SDI free because the original
battery's he sent out were protected and to long so wouldn't fit in the 134.

So my question is, are the battery's I have safe? the reason I ask, is that I have a Trident clone rba winging its way
to me
Thanks

 

[Baditude]

You've got a lot of learning to do.

Your Innokin 134 is a regulated (variable voltage/wattage) mod which will perform more optimally with an IMR or hybrid "high drain" battery. The buck boost circuits the processor uses to adjust voltage require the high drain ability of these IMR or hybrid batteries. You don't want to use a protected ICR battery, nor any battery with the name "fire" in it. (ie Trustfire, Surefire, Ultrafire)

The Panasonic NCR18650B 3400 mAh and NCR18650A 3100 mAh are not high drain batteries. They also only have a 6.8 amp continuous discharge rate; most IMR & hybrid batteries have at least a 10 amp CDR.

RBA/RDA's like the Trident are battery hogs, and your NCR18650A battery won't be sufficient to power it. The NCR18650A was designed to use common over-the-counter attachments like clearomizers and cartomizers, not for advanced attachments like an RBA.

Learn up on mod batteries from the following two articles:

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries

Information Resources for Your First RBA


Any of the following IMR or hybrid batteries are a much safer and better choice for your planned application. You can find these at RTD Vapor, Lighthound, or Orbtronics in the USA. You may be able to find a supplier of these somewhere in Europe, like http://www.ukecigstore.com/accessories/batteries:

AW IMR
18650 2000mah 10Amp CDR
18650 1600mah 24A

MNKE IMR
18650 1500mah ​20A

Panasonic ​or Orbtronic hybrid
CGR18650CH (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
NCR18650PD (LiNiCoAl) 2900mAh 10A
Orbtronic 18650 SX22 (hybrid) 2000mAh 22A

Samsung hybrid
INR18650-22P 2200mAh 10A
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

Sony
us18650v3 IMR 2250mAh 10A
​

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Hi and thankyou for the advice!

So i'm going to buy some new batteries now, but for the mean time when my trident comes can I build a coil that is at say 1.5 ohms and get away with it or will I break something? And also can I just ask you, because the innokin 134 only go's upto 12.5watts am I restricted to how low I can go on the ohms of the coil or coils or doesn't it work like that, hope you understand! just that if I am restricted then there isn't much point getting a battery that will let me get really low ohms.
Thanks.

 

[iGl0]

Hi and thankyou for the advice!

So i'm going to buy some new batteries now, but for the mean time when my trident comes can I build a coil that is at say 1.5 ohms and get away with it or will I break something? And also can I just ask you, because the innokin 134 only go's upto 12.5watts am I restricted to how low I can go on the ohms of the coil or coils or doesn't it work like that, hope you understand! just that if I am restricted then there isn't much point getting a battery that will let me get really low ohms.
Thanks.

You are restricted on how low you can go with ohms. 1.5 ohms will definitely be safe vaping at 8-9 watts. You honestly should be fine with the ones you have, but if you are looking for longer life (which seems to be the case) i would go with higher mAh rating. mAh = milli amps per hour. So pretty with the batteries you have (trustfire) since i know those ill comment, they don't last long and i had the same problem with amp discharge rate, it was dying on me every 2 hours at most lol. Just everything about the batteries made me mad!

Bad has a great link, he posted batteries and all about which to use. Follow those guides, i second them.

 

[State O' Flux]

You've got a lot of learning to do.

Bastadge... coffee on the monitor - clean up in isle 5.

 

[Baditude]

Your Innokin 134, with a good IMR or hybrid battery from the above list, will easily handle a 1.5 ohm coil.

It's only once one ventures below 1 ohm where regulated mods and common IMR batteries meet their limitations. Regulated mods like the Innokin 134 have protective circuitry which recognize a 1.0 ohm or less coil as a defective coil, so it will either refuse to fire it or shut itself down. This is why sub-ohm vapors use mechanical mods in order to bypass the protective circuitry that regulated mods have.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Thankyou guys thanks Batitude you've answered my question

 

[DaveP]

If you use unprotected batteries make sure the battery tension springs are designed to sag and disconnect the battery at high amps. IMR batts are your friend in this case. Unprotected Li-ion are not.

Good info here
http://content.spinfuel.com/innokin-itaste-134-review/

 

[Baditude]

And since you are using dual batteries, make sure you don't insert a fully charged battery along with one that is partially or completely discharged. The charged battery will try to balance itself with the uncharged one, producing a rapid charge rate that li-ion can't stand.

SLIPPY_EEL said nothing about stacking batteries. He's not even using 18350 batteries. You can't stack 18650 batteries.

 

[SLIPPY_EEL]

Thanks for the advice DaveP but the innokin 134 can only take one 18650 battery, two of em would make it about 12" long

 

[tnt56]

SLIPPY_EEL said nothing about stacking batteries. He's not even using 18350 batteries. You can't stack 18650 batteries.

There is one mod I know of that uses stacked 18650's. It's made by vapor moon. Can't post the link. Looks as long as a 54' semi trailer. Think it's called the Saber Max.

 

[tnt56]

Found the link.
Saber Touch MAX VV

 

[DaveP]

SLIPPY_EEL said nothing about stacking batteries. He's not even using 18350 batteries. You can't stack 18650 batteries.

I should have searched out the Innokin 134 before I posted. I misread the sentence in his post that said

"I started out with being sold 2x BRC 18650 3000mAh li-ion UltraFire for my innokin 134 which I had to re-charge about 3x in a day just to make it through a day of vaping which isn't practical lol

Once I looked at the actual device, I realized my mistake. I've edited the original post. A dual 18650 mod would be a short baseball bat. Might come in handy for a SS club.

 

[Thrasher]

Hi and thankyou for the advice!

So i'm going to buy some new batteries now, but for the mean time when my trident comes can I build a coil that is at say 1.5 ohms and get away with it or will I break something? And also can I just ask you, because the innokin 134 only go's upto 12.5watts am I restricted to how low I can go on the ohms of the coil or coils or doesn't it work like that, hope you understand! just that if I am restricted then there isn't much point getting a battery that will let me get really low ohms.
Thanks.

you most certainly can use the trident, the device does not care if it a clearo a carto or a genesis atty, resistance is resistance and watts are watts, nothing changes by using a rebuildable except that you control the resistance.

If your going to use a rebuildable than can use multi coils on a device with a low wattage limitation it is best to use higher gauge wire, say 30 or 32 and wrap a single coil above 1.5 ohms. on a lower wattage device with dual coils the problem is the wattage is split between two coils, you may set it to 12 and that may seem high but in reality only 6 watts will go to each coil, not very high at all so it is best to pack all that wattage into a single coil for best efficiency from the mod.

Having better batteries around is never a bad thing, if for some reason you feel like getting a cheap mechanical down the road to do something like a 1 ohm dual coil you already have the batteries on hand.