Battery Help

[jbar1092]

So I'm new to vaping, only just got my gear recently, and am looking for battery help.

My setup is the smok X Cube II with TFV4 tank using the dual coil RBA with the pre installed 0.25 Ohm build. I know this is by no means a starter setup but I managed to get a such a good deal that I couldn't resist. I figured that I don't have to use all the advanced functions just yet, but I'll still have the ability to later on.

Anyway, from what I understand, in order to fully utilise the mod's capability of 180W (not that I plan to vape at such high wattage, just seems to make sense to me that the battery should be able to support the full capability for safety), I should use 30A continuous batteries, right? And to my knowledge, the options are therefore Sony VTC4 or LG HB6. Both rated 30A continuous, but the VTC4 has a higher capacity at 2100mAh while the HB6 is only 1500mAh. Can anyone help me to appreciate how much of a difference this is in terms of battery life?

As far as I know, these are available locally at FStopLights, $13 for VTC4 and $10 for HB6. Is this a reputable seller and can anyone confirm the batteries' authenticity? Also, are the prices reasonable or can I get them cheaper elsewhere/from more reputable sources?

Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance!

 

[shipunator]

pricing of batteries are reasonable, they are sold roughly around the same price unless you're living in the US where a pair can cost $11.

As for the type of batteries to use, just stick to the traditional samsung 25rs. the amp rating for that is good enough for most, if not all users.

battery life difference of 600mAh or in your case 1200mAh since the smok is a dual 18650 is quite significant. you would hate if you're out for a long day and you realize you aint got enough battery to last.

 

[laminated_tissure_paper]

I would suggest to not only use the traditional batteries, but to better understand what's in the market and their true specs. If you ever plan to go lower than your current sub-resistance, it pays to get the right battery to do the job comfortably.

FSL is legit from what I know, selling mainly torchlights and batteries from torchlights. Lots of variety. According to FSL, their VTC4/5s are authentic, no harm double checking with them again though.

What I do is, I get 3 HB6s and I cycle them. One's in use, others are charging... provided I don't overcharge them.

Also one important thing to note: try your utmost best to NOT use ICR batteries. Use IMR batteries instead, a lot safer.

 

[jbar1092]

Thanks for the input guys. I'll do a little more research. Keep changing my mind on which batteries to get. Not quite convinced one particular battery

 

[Comrade Vape]

Samsung 25R, LG HG2, Sony VTC5. Beaucoup beaucoup beaucoup

 

[jbar1092]

Samsung 25R, LG HG2, Sony VTC5. Beaucoup beaucoup beaucoup

Don't the VTC4s have slightly higher CDR than VTC5s? The way I see it, my three options are Samsung 25Rs, Sony VTC4s and LG HB6s, and they form somewhat of a spectrum. Higher capacity but lower CDR with the 25Rs, lower capacity but higher CDR with the HB6 and the VTC4s somewhere in the middle. The HB6s are true 30A batteries, so they'll handle my setup no problem, but I'll be sacrificing battery life at the lower and mid ranges. The 25Rs give good battery life at the lower and mid ranges, and can be pushed to some extent, but safety is compromised. The VTC4s are again, somewhere in between. Based on tests I've seen, they're not true 30As but can be pushed further and run cooler than 25RS, and they have higher capacity than the HB6s. The VTC4s are the most expensive of the three though, so I am paying for the all-roundedness.

 

[WarA]

The issue with regulated is more towards how much is the input current (not given). Typically a good circuit will boost from that, you'll still be fine using 25R that's rated for 20A. However just keep resistance above .4 ohm for max watt just to be safe.

 

[Mooch]

At 180W max, 90W/battery, you will draw 90W / 3.2V = 28.1A per battery. If you intend to vape at over 120W-130W then I recommend the VTC4's. If you will be under that wattage then the 25R or HG2 can be used.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Vaping at 180 watts you will need lots of batteries,they will not last long per charge.

 

[jbar1092]

The issue with regulated is more towards how much is the input current (not given). Typically a good circuit will boost from that, you'll still be fine using 25R that's rated for 20A. However just keep resistance above .4 ohm for max watt just to be safe.

I'll probably be building around 0.5 Ohms for now, only reason my setup is 0.25 Ohms is cause it was preinstalled with the dual RBA.

 

[jbar1092]

At 180W max, 90W/battery, you will draw 90W / 3.2V = 28.1A per battery. If you intend to vape at over 120W-130W then I recommend the VTC4's. If you will be under that wattage then the 25R or HG2 can be used.

Thanks Mooch. I think I'm leaning towards the VTC4s. Idk if I'll be vaping at the high wattages, but I like having the peace of mind knowing that I can do so safely. Been reading the tests on your blog extensively and using the information as a guide. Very extensive and thorough I must say. I found it extremely useful. Great work!

 

[jbar1092]

Vaping at 180 watts you will need lots of batteries,they will not last long per charge.

I'll most be vaping at home, and I'm planning on having at least 2 sets of batteries, so I think that's not a problem.

 

[Comrade Vape]

I use VTC5s mainly for the higher capacity yet still respectable amperage draw.

 

[laminated_tissure_paper]

If you're looking into VTCs... have a look at these: VTC5, VTC4, VTC3... Threads about each battery and their true capabilities.

VTC5s have been tested and tend to get way too hot beyond 20A. Gets to 82°C at 20A, and 96°C at 25A. That's dangerous hot.

VTC4s can go up to 30A, but can, quote, "shorten the life of the cell and increase the risk of cell venting due to high cell temperature". Wouldn't recommend VTC4s for a mech mod, you'll never know what what can be pressing that button when you're not looking.

VTC3s are great for up to 25A. At 30A, it'll reach 83°C.

Bottom line, research before purchase is vital, especially when dealing with things that can cause damage to your device and yourself. What is stated may not always be what it can handle.

Safety 1st guys!

 

[ahmadmfz]

Great advice by Irham.

I don't think you'lll be vaping at 180w man. I do not know anyone that vapes that high. At 100-120w, VTC4/5 is a great choice. If you vape below 100w, check out the HG2 or the 25Rs. Great battery life and performance.