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MMoon

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I am using Qty. 3 AW, 18490, 1100 mah batteries purchased from Provape. I purchased them on 4/16/2012, so they are less than two months old. I am using a Pila charger, and carefully rotate the 3 batteries. I have noticed a significant reduction in how long they are lasting between charges. I generally put them on the charger soon after the light starts blinking. I don't have specific times, I just can tell it's getting shorter between charges. I use 3 ohm Boges.

I don't know if this is normal or not, how long should the batteries last before I need to buy new ones? Is it a good or bad idea to buy a few and store for when I will need them. Can someone tell me what the best way is to handle batteries? Thanks!
 

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I am using Qty. 3 AW, 18490, 1100 mah batteries purchased from Provape. I purchased them on 4/16/2012, so they are less than two months old. I am using a Pila charger, and carefully rotate the 3 batteries. I have noticed a significant reduction in how long they are lasting between charges. I generally put them on the charger soon after the light starts blinking. I don't have specific times, I just can tell it's getting shorter between charges. I use 3 ohm Boges.

I don't know if this is normal or not, how long should the batteries last before I need to buy new ones? Is it a good or bad idea to buy a few and store for when I will need them. Can someone tell me what the best way is to handle batteries? Thanks!

I also use a Pila charger(1.5 years)... My experiance is before I got my Provari, I vaped a Provape1 with AW 14500 600mah IMRs. I was in a rotation of 2 batteries. For the first 3-4 weeks they were at their peak, between 5-6 weeks they lost a little capacity..6-8 weeks even more... 2 months I changed them out.. Since you are runing a VV Provari Im asumming it will be about the same time frame using the AW IMR 1100 mah 18490s.. They still work after the 2+ months but the capacity in much lower IMO. I use the extented cap with my full size Provari so I can use the 18650 battery.. Since they dont need to be charged as often I belive I will get 4+ months out of a set before I decide the capacity has droped to much for me..
Some people milk them out for much longer than that, but I prefer just to start with a new set.... Its just how much diminished battery capacity you can stand to live with before you swap em out...
 
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I don't know if this is normal or not, how long should the batteries last before I need to buy new ones? Is it a good or bad idea to buy a few and store for when I will need them. Can someone tell me what the best way is to handle batteries? Thanks!

Handling lithium rechargables is pretty simple. The biggest thing is that lithium is VERY different than NiCad and NiMh batteries. You are already using the highest quality batteries on the market and the best charger. You need a multimeter (like 10 bucks for cheapies). The reason is the Provari can only read tenths in battery power. Where as a 4.20 is a perfect charge, 4.26 is an overcharge. The Provari might only show this as 4.2.

In terms of storage and service life prolonging, lithium batteries differ from others more so than in any other way. The Pila will charge right up to 4.2 volts, which is the maximum safe charge. One reason it can go right up to this is it is very consistent in its charge and very accurate. Even with high end Fluke multimeters that are very precise, the Pila delivers an extremely consistent charged voltage on the AWs. However, at 4.2 volts, the battery is under more stress than at the 3.7 volt range. So once it goes to a full charge, USE IT! The longer a lithium battery sits at its full service charge, the more strain on it. Recharging at 3.5 volts is a good range. Lithium batteries have no memory and so charging them more frequently with lesser drains is actually good for them (where as with a traditional NiCad battery, it would destroy the battery).

Storing lithium batteries with a full charge is bad. You store them with a 40% charge because more will put unneeded stress on them and too little and they can go into a 'sleep' mode. It is also worth noting that lithium batteries do not do well with heat (or extreme cold for that matter). If the batteries are seeing substantial heat during discharge, then service life will almost surely be negatively impacted. When not using them, be sure they are kept somewhere in which metallic objects cannot touch them and the terminals cannot touch each other, such as a battery container. If a metallic object touches the battery and allows a circuit to be completed, the best case scenario is that you will lose the battery.

If you haven't gotten anywhere near 300 cycles on these and all of the above has been followed, it is possible you got a weak batch and they may be covered under warranty.
 

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In particular the bit about storing them is useful... Was planning on getting 2 more pairs just because I tend to over-prepare, and this info will help me treat my batteries more correctly. :)

Thanks again.

One thing I like are the battery boxes. They are relatively cheap and just convient. I store extra 18xxx at about 3.7-ish volts in these long term. I also use them for carrying spare full batteries in my Provari case for on the go, as it ensures they do not make contact with any metal. It also keeps them from getting dinged up by other stuff in the case. They look like this:

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The most recent ones I got are here, but you an get them anywhere and they are all essentially the same quality...they are usually under $1 each.
battery case for e-cig mod
 

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Thanks, I do intend to use battery boxes to keep them safe; I have what I believe is a proper amount of respect for the amount of energy I'm dealing with, etc etc.

I should have clarified; the point about not storing them for long terms at full charge was very useful (and not previously known) to me.

I did have one question; you stated that it doesn't "hurt" the cells to charge them up again despite not running them all the way down to blinking. Does this mean that it doesn't "count against" the total # of charge cycles you'll get?
 

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Someone with more experience should confirm this. To my understanding, if you charge below 80%, upon charging a cycle has been completed. However, with lithium batteries, if you do not discharge them to the point of stress and recharge, the service life itself will be extended. Additionally, heat and cold are concerns that affect longevity. For LiPo's, I know under 45 and over 95 degrees is not ideal for operating.
 
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