I was doing a lot of reading online, and I kept reading how joyetech ego twists are a good "beginner" battery along with using clearomizers such as the stardust or iclear. I also keep reading about more advanced batteries such as the Provari, evic, etc, and how a cartomizer tank is for more advanced vapers. I was wondering, if I feel comfortable enough, would it be OK for a noob like me to purchase a more "advanced" set up as my first vape?
"Beginner" and "Advanced" Vapes?
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Of course it would. If you have done your research and feel you gave a good understanding of the gear in question...Have at it. I personally think it would be better if you did. you will likely be saving yourself $$ in the long run.
Might be a bit ambitious...but doable if that's what you want to do! Sounds like you've been reading here a lot. If you go the carto tank route...check out the thread dedicated to the "DCT" or carto tanks (TANKS) here at ECF. As for the device itself...you don't have to go Provari or Evic right off the top if it's a bit rich for your blood right now. Try something like the Vamo or maybe an iTaste MVP, or Groove, or something else with VV (and in some cases VW too). Get your feet wet and see if you like the system. Or...if you can and want to...shoot the works and go for Provari. Just keep reading and learning and picking people's brains here on ECF. You don't have to start with an eGo if you don't want to!
Personally...I'd steer clear of clearomizers but that's me. Good luck!!
Personally...I'd steer clear of clearomizers but that's me. Good luck!!
Yes.
If I would've started with what I ended up with I would've avoided tons of headaches frustrations & hassle, saved a bunch of money and quit smoking nearly a year before I did.
If I would've started with what I ended up with I would've avoided tons of headaches frustrations & hassle, saved a bunch of money and quit smoking nearly a year before I did.
Actually, it's the RBA's (rebuildable atomizers) that have the biggest learning curve. A Twist, or a Spinner is a good starter. I second the DCT tank, but get the single coil carto's, not the dual coils. I used a cartomizer tank almost right off the bat, and didn't have problems. Of course, the Provari is one of the best quality devices you can get, but not totally necessary.
I don't feel a carto tank is an "Advanced" user device. Simple, easy to use, easy to maintain and they work great!
As for the Provari or other expensive mod, we try not to push them too much on new vapors for several reasons. The cost is a big turn off to many new vapors, we, and they, don't know if this is even going to work for them so encouraging them to drop the $200 for a kit can actually be discouraging to them.
Many, not all, new vapors don't want a big battery mod to start with, they want something they are used to, like a cig alike.
They have a lot of features that many new vapors aren't sure they need, or know how to use. This can be intimidating to them and we want to make the transition as smooth as we can.
If you feel this is what you want, will use, and are fine spending the money, as many newbies aren't, I wont discourage you at all! I also feel you will save money in the long run vs. buying a bunch of disposable batteries (EGO's are disposable IMO). I've seen several newbies dive right into the pool and be happy, I've seen others try and regret it because it was too confusing for them.
There are plenty of us here to help and support you with which ever way you want to go, good luck!
As for the Provari or other expensive mod, we try not to push them too much on new vapors for several reasons. The cost is a big turn off to many new vapors, we, and they, don't know if this is even going to work for them so encouraging them to drop the $200 for a kit can actually be discouraging to them.
Many, not all, new vapors don't want a big battery mod to start with, they want something they are used to, like a cig alike.
They have a lot of features that many new vapors aren't sure they need, or know how to use. This can be intimidating to them and we want to make the transition as smooth as we can.
If you feel this is what you want, will use, and are fine spending the money, as many newbies aren't, I wont discourage you at all! I also feel you will save money in the long run vs. buying a bunch of disposable batteries (EGO's are disposable IMO). I've seen several newbies dive right into the pool and be happy, I've seen others try and regret it because it was too confusing for them.
There are plenty of us here to help and support you with which ever way you want to go, good luck!
Wow, thanks for all the responses. And yes, that's the main reason why I want to get the set up that I would eventually want to get since it would save money and everything in the long run.
By the way, I keep reading about VV and know what that is pretty much, but what is VW, or more importantly, how does variable wattage work? Is it pretty much the same as VV but with different metrics?
By the way, I keep reading about VV and know what that is pretty much, but what is VW, or more importantly, how does variable wattage work? Is it pretty much the same as VV but with different metrics?
in short...VW automatically adjusts to the desired wattage regardless of what ohm atty / carto sits on the devise.
Relatively new vaper here - 2 weeks. I jumped in on the advanced side with a Provari after doing a lot of research. I was introduced to vaping by some friends on a trip out to LA. I'd never considered completely quitting but on the day I received my PV was the last day I smoked. Money wasn't so much an issue to me...I wanted something well reviewed, that I felt would make the transition best. Provari was 100% right decision for me.
I don't think the Provari is overly complicated. It took all of 10 secs to figure out how to raise/lower the power setting.
I don't think the Provari is overly complicated. It took all of 10 secs to figure out how to raise/lower the power setting.
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Oh, I kind of get it. But is having VW super important? I know with VV I can adjust (I don't know the technical term) how strong it feels when I hit, so does VW do the same thing?
Coming from someone that has only been vaping now for a couple weeks (me), I can say definitely go for it. Just do thorough research to make sure you get everything you need & know how to use what you buy. I bought a ProVari with a Vivi Nova tank as my first E-Cig & I couldn't be happier. The hits are consistent & the battery lasts for a long time.
VW will consistently hit the same regardless of what resistance you have for cartomizer/atomizer. It will adjust itself to hit the same whether you are using a 1.8ohm or a 2.8ohm. With VV, you will need to adjust when going from a low resistance to a higher one, or visa-versa...otherwise you will have a considerably different hit.
I originally was planning on buying a VW device but all my research kept pointing me back to a ProVari which only has VV. It's honestly not a hassle at all & it is a very solid mod!
VW will consistently hit the same regardless of what resistance you have for cartomizer/atomizer. It will adjust itself to hit the same whether you are using a 1.8ohm or a 2.8ohm. With VV, you will need to adjust when going from a low resistance to a higher one, or visa-versa...otherwise you will have a considerably different hit.
I originally was planning on buying a VW device but all my research kept pointing me back to a ProVari which only has VV. It's honestly not a hassle at all & it is a very solid mod!
In slightly longer terms, in order to hit the sweet spot of vapor delivery versus atty/carto longevity, the volts required would need to be adjusted depending on the resistance (ohms) of the specific atty/carto. Setting the watts instead automatically adjusts the volts.
Sweet spot
Ohm's law calculator
Sweet spot
Ohm's law calculator
Exactly this! VV works great even for a lazy person though...I tinker with my voltage all the time whilst lounging on the couch & it doesn't take much effort at all.
OK, the heat is produced in watts, this is figured as volts squared divided by the resistance of the atomizer used. Most people like it around 8 watts, some like it warmer at say 10 watts, others like it cooler at say 6 watts. There are charts, calculators and formula's to get you there and it's really not that hard, but some people make it that way.
Say you have a 3 ohm atty, if you set it at 5 volts you get 8.33 watts, then you can adjust up and down from there to suit taste.
VW is different as it's set in watts, not volts. Say you like everything at 9.5 watts, you set it at 9.5 watts and it constantly adjusts the voltage to maintain this heat. Change the atty to another one, it changes to match it. It does the math for you.
It's six of one, half a dozen of the other, I don't feel the need for VW, others claim they can't live without it!
I have both a Provari V2.5 and a Vamo V2 ... the Vamo does have variable watts the Provari obviously does not ... honestly I was still adjusting the watts on the Vamo due to the way different juices taste so this is no better for me ... I now use Volts on the Vamo since it seems easier, cause I have a voltage only device as well and am always switching between devices, the delivery on the Provari seems smoother than the Vamo, build quality is way different versus the two, Provari is smaller and built like a tank both using 18650 Batts, I use both devices with Vision Vivi Nova's 3.5ml's pretty much contstant, but I do have a AGA-T2 rebuildable and some dripping atty's for checking out new flavors fast
I find vv adiquate for me. Choosing watts or volts can still be a crap shoot because not all juices like the same settings. I find I still have to dial in for a particular juice. If I'm haveing to adjust either vv or vw, what's the difference?
I agree, but others don't! I don't see how you can change an atty, with another juice, in another delivery system and expect the same results, but that's my opinion so take it for what it's worth.
Agree... I usually use 3ohm cartomizers - and I regularly adjust my voltage depending on the juice. Most of the time its about 4.1-4.3...but there are some juices that taste burnt at that - so I'll drop it down to 3.9 and its perfect.
Hmm it seems like having a VW isn't a necessity for me as a beginner, though it seems for super advanced vapers, they can't live without it. I guess VW wasn't as important as I thought, though VV is important to me because I like to vary how hard the vape will hit.
Anyone have any "beginner VV" batteries, as the only ones I'm familiar with are the ego twist and VAMO.
Anyone have any "beginner VV" batteries, as the only ones I'm familiar with are the ego twist and VAMO.
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