Best atomizer and coil for cloud chasing?

[chabos]

So I noticed that my local shop has started hosting meetups now, and as part of those meetups they have a cloud contest. This sounds ideal to me, as I was just planning on getting into mechs and rebuildables. I've been looking at a few different coils and RBA/rda styles, and I was wondering if any one here has any input on what my best bet for max vapor production would be. I was thinking a sub ohm set up would be best, but I just saw RiP Tripper's diamond coil and the vapor production on that doesn't look half bad either... And if any one has a recommendation for an atomizer that would be great as well. I have a Kraken clone on it's way, but would an rda or gravity fed be a better bet for sub ohm? Also, it's worth noting that flavor is irrelevant, I don't need to use this as a regular build, I just want it for the contest.

EDIT: Wait, I think I just found the perfect build. I'm garunteed to win with this! Vaping at 400 Watts - YouTube

 

[chabos]

Oh, and since the diamond is technically a single coil, does that mean I could have two diamonds in a dual coil setup?

 

[emus]

I prefer solid cap over adjustable air flow design; sorry trident.
If I joined the cloud contest I would have at least two holes larger than 1/8" for respectable clouds.
Fresh samsung inr 18650 20r.
Drilled large tube safety vent holes.
Large surface area electrical contact mod; switch post to body contact may be weak link.
Find a Pinoy vaper for tips.

 

[crazyarms]

Not trying to be a pain but you should really look into the saftey aspect of this whole sub-ohm and cloud chasing thing. Its not something you should just jump into without the right equipment and knowledge. Low ohm coils pull a large amount of power and need special high amp batteries.

Id start slow with a dripping rebuildable and mechanical mod. Grab an igo-w atomizer and a k-100 mod with a high drain battery like a samsung 18650 or an MNKE 18650 and ask the shop to do a build for you and ask to watch. Learn as much as you can before you start buying wire and trying to blow masssive clouds. You dont want to rearrange your face by ways of battery explosion.

Also, simpler builds usually out perform the intricate builds. A dual micro coil setup knocks the socks off a trico-diamond squareback whatever coil. At least in my experience it does. I run micro coils at low ohms and i can fog up a room quite quickly and i can replicate my build every time without error. And it takes maybe 5 minutes from start to finish. just my

Watch videos and explore the forums! Happy vaping!

 

[2coils]

So I noticed that my local shop has started hosting meetups now, and as part of those meetups they have a cloud contest. This sounds ideal to me, as I was just planning on getting into mechs and rebuildables. I've been looking at a few different coils and RBA/RDA styles, and I was wondering if any one here has any input on what my best bet for max vapor production would be. I was thinking a sub ohm set up would be best, but I just saw RiP Tripper's diamond coil and the vapor production on that doesn't look half bad either... And if any one has a recommendation for an atomizer that would be great as well. I have a Kraken clone on it's way, but would an RDA or gravity fed be a better bet for sub ohm? Also, it's worth noting that flavor is irrelevant, I don't need to use this as a regular build, I just want it for the contest.

Does your local shop teach how to build coils? If they are holding such contests, IMHO it would be a tad irresponsible to encourage such activity without some thorough education. Talk to them, ask them to get you started. Watch and learn, if you insist on sub ohm vaping. I'm not trying to be a buzz-kill, Just be careful, as accidents could possibly hurt the whole community. A lot of shops in Cali have teaching classes (from what I've heard). I have had a battery go into thermal runway, not pretty. Good luck to you!

 

[chabos]

Thanks for the input everyone!

Emus, thanks for the advice on what hole sizes to use. Now I just need a drill haha. Plus I should figure out exactly how the different atomizers styles work (I have a basic understanding, but that's about all). That way I can understand exactly how the air holes provide superior vapor. What exactly is an electrical contact? I'm unfortunately on a small vaping allowance, so I was thinking an FT Chi You clone (probably with the logo sanded off out of respect for Mojo), will that fit those requirements? And any particular reason you say a Pinoy vaper?

Crazyarms, you aren't being a pain. I know that a lot of people try to get into sub ohms without realizing you need to be super super careful. I've already been looking at the safety stickies in the sub ohm section, and while I haven't had the chance to go through all the videos and links in them I definitely will before attempting anything with sub ohm builds. And I did see just after posting this that at the end of the video RiP said that he got the best vapor from his dragon nano coil. I'm not sure if that's just a simple nano build yet, so I guess the next step is to check out that video. If it is a single nano coil, I may just build a dual dragon to start with.

2coils, they should. I don't believe they provide classes, but the owner is almost always in and seems to be very knowledgeable about rebuilding and never seems to mind answering my questions about vaping. Between that and Youtube build videos I think I should be fine.

 

[crazyarms]

A nano build if done correctly can be a single coil build that produces some serious vapor. I suggest wrapping 28g kanthal around a paperclip or a sewing needle. 10-12 wraps touching one another is a good build. Ive had some nano coils at 1.2 ohms that vape just as nice as some of my much lower builds. Check out the nano build thread by iTEO.

Id also only start with one coil for your first few builds. Need to keep in mind that dual coils halve your resistance. So your 1.0 nano times 2 gets you down to .5 which is considerable more amp draw. Get an ohm reader and check out ohms law calculator as well. Gives you a peace of mind when you're building.

 

[emus]

Thanks for the input everyone!

Emus, thanks for the advice on what hole sizes to use. Now I just need a drill haha. Plus I should figure out exactly how the different atomizers styles work (I have a basic understanding, but that's about all). That way I can understand exactly how the air holes provide superior vapor. What exactly is an electrical contact? I'm unfortunately on a small vaping allowance, so I was thinking an FT Chi You clone (probably with the logo sanded off out of respect for Mojo), will that fit those requirements? And any particular reason you say a Pinoy vaper?

I would buy a genuine YouDe UD brand RDA/RTA. They can be had for $9 in the USA. Like trianglevape, 101vape, etc. My UD RTA is high quality but most clone RBA are junky. Trident FT clone is good except for tight o-rings making top hard to remove. Have a look see at genuine IGO-W, IGO-W4, etc. I prefer solid cap because I drill baby drill anyway. I recommend 1 UD RDA for clouds and another UD RTA for quality vapor. Then keep adding quality RBAs to collection as bank allows.

YT Pinoy vapers turned me onto the clouds, that's why.

 

[Vwls]

So I noticed that my local shop has started hosting meetups now, and as part of those meetups they have a cloud contest. This sounds ideal to me, as I was just planning on getting into mechs and rebuildables. I've been looking at a few different coils and RBA/RDA styles, and I was wondering if any one here has any input on what my best bet for max vapor production would be. I was thinking a sub ohm set up would be best, but I just saw RiP Tripper's diamond coil and the vapor production on that doesn't look half bad either... And if any one has a recommendation for an atomizer that would be great as well. I have a Kraken clone on it's way, but would an RDA or gravity fed be a better bet for sub ohm? Also, it's worth noting that flavor is irrelevant, I don't need to use this as a regular build, I just want it for the contest.

1) The diamond coil ala Rip Trippers is actually best for producing flavor as opposed to massive vapor. If you want to blow huge clouds with coils that are over 1 ohm resistance, you certainly can do, but you'll need a DNA 20 mod so you can adjust your watts up in the 15 to 20 range. That's what Rip does, and why his vids are so filled with awesome vapor clouds.

2) If you decide to sub ohm instead, I recommend a rebuildable dripper - not a genesis style atomizer. There are a host of factors that have to be studied and understood in order to efficiently and safely sub ohm, so please make sure you study up before venturing down that path... Batteries, ohms law, multimeters, Kanthal/Nichrome, coil types, air flow, level of nic in your juice, etc etc are all integral factors. Make sure your local vape shop is not having sub-ohm cloud blowing sessions without sharing the knowledge and the requisite tools before they start firing those coils.

 

[emus]

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2) If you decide to sub ohm instead, I recommend a rebuildable dripper - not a genesis style atomizer. There are a host of factors that have to be studied and understood in order to efficiently and safely sub ohm, so please make sure you study up before venturing down that path... Batteries, ohms law, multimeters, Kanthal/Nichrome, coil types, air flow, level of nic in your juice, etc etc are all integral factors. Make sure your local vape shop is not having sub-ohm cloud blowing sessions without sharing the knowledge and the requisite tools before they start firing those coils.

Everybody says RDA instead of RTA for clouds and flavor. I don't understand. RTA is basically an RDA on top of a tank. My drilled 22mm RTA competes with my 22mm trident RDA with 50% to 90% VG clouds. My small diameter RTA competes with small RDA for vapor quality.

Some RDAs are more fun to build fancy coils upon. Slotted/drilled RDA posts are nice. Not having to drip RTA is nice also. Glad they are cheap; easy to have both.

 

[Jazzi Mike]

This is stupid. There will only be losers at the cloud contest

 

[emus]

This is stupid. There will only be losers at the cloud contest

Every loser won't be there.

 

[Vwls]

Everybody says RDA instead of RTA for clouds and flavor. I don't understand. RTA is basically an RDA on top of a tank. ....

Not having to drip RTA is nice also.

It all depends how you set up your RTA... You can make it into an auto-dripper, and in doing so, simulate an RDA vape with a tank under it. (This is done with a cotton wick hanging a bit into the tank, and some tilting to bring the juice to the coil.) I agree that not having to drip is nice... this is why bottom feeders are so awesome.

My drilled 22mm RTA competes with my 22mm trident RDA with 50% to 90% VG clouds. My small diameter RTA competes with small RDA for vapor quality.

Having fiddled with both quite a bit, I can honestly say I've never been able to make a genny sing like a dripper. The magic of gennies continues to elude me... although I keep trying. (I also use 50% to 100% VG juice.)

 

[emus]

It all depends how you set up your RTA... You can make it into an auto-dripper, and in doing so, simulate an RDA vape with a tank under it. (This is done with a cotton wick hanging a bit into the tank, and some tilting to bring the juice to the coil.) I agree that not having to drip is nice... this is why bottom feeders are so awesome.


Having fiddled with both quite a bit, I can honestly say I've never been able to make a genny sing like a dripper. The magic of gennies continues to elude me... although I keep trying. (I also use 50% to 100% VG juice.)

I drilled three giant 3/16" deck holes in 22mm genny clone. It wicks 90% VG fast. Nice cloud chaser.

I'm using 20 to 30% VG in 18mm tiny deck hole pocket carry gennies; wicks great at 30% VG but wicks slow at 60% VG. A7 clone bottom air feed RDA was my gold standard but 18mm genny is pretty close.

More YouDe UD RDAs and RTAs in the mail; can't wait for test runs.

 

[Ryedan]

I drilled three giant 3/16" deck holes in 22mm genny clone. It wicks 90% VG fast. Nice cloud chaser.

I think I saw a picture of that build of yours in another thread emus and it looked really neat

I do still think though that a minimally modified Genisis is not going to be able to compete with a minimally modified RDA for clouds. I agree having a tank is a good thing for convenience, but it also means your wicking is dependent on its ability to draw juice from the tank. A RDA eliminates that potential bottleneck.

 

[emus]

I think I saw a picture of that build of yours in another thread emus and it looked really neat

I do still think though that a minimally modified Genisis is not going to be able to compete with a minimally modified RDA for clouds. I agree having a tank is a good thing for convenience, but it also means your wicking is dependent on its ability to draw juice from the tank. A RDA eliminates that potential bottleneck.

Thanks.
True.
I ordered AGA-TD. Maybe a good cloud chaser RTA once air holes are bored out.
AGA-TD - Triangle Vape LLC

 

[Vwls]

Yes to me the essential problem of moving juice to the wick has not been solved with a genny. I feel is if this technology is about to be or already has become passé.

 

[Ryedan]

Yes to me the essential problem of moving juice to the wick has not been solved with a genny. I feel is if this technology is about to be or already has become passé.

I was just about to agree with you Vwls. I've been vaping the Trident mostly lately and getting into a new Kayfun clone so playing with that a lot. I thought I would put my old AGA-T on the Chemesis with a fresh battery and try it one more time. Well, I forgot to tilt and got one nasty dry hit on the second drag (not used to that anymore) !

After getting that sorted out I really don't think it's going the way of the dodo anytime soon. It's not a Trident for sure, but IMO it is a very nice vape in tank format.

It's nice to have options!

 

[muzichead]

I switched to SS rope w/ either SS mesh or XS-18 wrapped at the top on my RSST and my Ikarus Hybrid 2.1 clone because I had problems with the cotton and or SS mesh keeping up with wicking and always having to tilt to help feed them. I find the only time I have to tilt them now is when there is like 1/2ml or less left in the tank and I am either too lazy to refill or just simply want to vape the tank dry. I can't remember the last time I got a "dry" hit from either!! The Igo-L and the Octopus have pretty much gathered dust since changing to these setups. I love my RBA's and may never go back to the RDA's!!

 

[emus]

Yes to me the essential problem of moving juice to the wick has not been solved with a genny. I feel is if this technology is about to be or already has become passé.

Dual cotton wick wicks great. Hindi passe'.