Best atomizer and coil for cloud chasing?

[Equality 7-2521]

No, they are not passe... There are alot of high end gennys coming to market everyday, being bought by very experinced vapers....as you admitted yourself..you can't make gennys sing...it's not the attys fault..you haven't learned how to use them..

almost every dripper i know either has never tried a genny because

1) it looks like to much work , so never even tried one.
2)you can't blow clouds with them
3) tried to make it work but found it easier to go back to dripping rather than master something new.


Any dripper that I meet who was able to master a genny, and vaped a good one, always found them to be part of their rotation.


QUOTE=Vwls;11644411]Yes to me the essential problem of moving juice to the wick has not been solved with a genny. I feel is if this technology is about to be or already has become passé.[/QUOTE]

 

[nostinkies]

I'm not into the cloud chasing thing, but I can appreciate the skill it takes to be good (and safe) at it. Visit Mikes page vape Happy on you tube. I cant post a link to the video, but run a search on there for Beast vaping w/ my PANZER and the Sleeper Build.. On his page he shows the build.

Be safe!

 

[Equality 7-2521]

For sure, i'm a genny guy... but I hang, with alot of cloud chasers and I love to talk shop with them and trade knowledge with each other. They are doing some amazing builds.

I'm not into the cloud chasing thing, but I can appreciate the skill it takes to be good (and safe) at it. Visit Mikes page Vape Happy on you tube. I cant post a link to the video, but run a search on there for Beast Vaping w/ my PANZER and the Sleeper Build.. On his page he shows the build.

Be safe!

 

[Equality 7-2521]

I know a bunch of pinoy drippers who own a vaping shop and regularlly host cloud contest.....one of them won the last contest with a prometheus genny.....one of the reasons RDA s are used for cloud contest is that alomst every build being used is at least a dual coil. There hasn't been alot of gennys designed for dual coils. Until recentlly when a genny had dual coils or U wicks is was for better flavor in mind..... it hasn't been till recentlly you see gennys like the prometheus, and the kraken gennys not only with dual coils but adjustable air flows in order to handle dual wicks and cloud chasing.The other reason is that people who vape gennys are buying and asking for gennys that deliver better flavor, that's why you vape gennys for their superior flavor, not to cloud up the room.

I think I saw a picture of that build of yours in another thread emus and it looked really neat

I do still think though that a minimally modified Genisis is not going to be able to compete with a minimally modified RDA for clouds. I agree having a tank is a good thing for convenience, but it also means your wicking is dependent on its ability to draw juice from the tank. A RDA eliminates that potential bottleneck.

 

[TrentTC]

Genesis atomizers aren't going away. RDA's are easier to set up to produce huge clouds but a well set up genesis atomizer can definitely produce some major clouds also. I have my Kraken set up with dual 4/3 wrap coils using 26 guage kanthal and 500 mesh. Comes out to about .3 ohms. Tons of vapor and tons of flavor.

 

[metamorpheus]

I am a backpack type vaper, I'm in college town 7 days a week so I blend right in lol. I generally have a genny, 2 drippers, and Russian on me...along with 4 30A high drains, an ohm meter, 4 drill bits, hemp/cotton, XC-116, XC-132, various gauges of kanthal, tweezers, nail clippers, a torch, a bottle of butane, heavy duty scissors..yeah I'm pretty much ready for anything.

Now the reason why I posted was to just add to the RDA vs RTA discussion. When I'm active and moving around a lot I use my Russian. When I've stopped at a destination and feel like clouding it up its obviously the dripper or the genny. If I feel like vaping a few different flavors I will use the dripper. If I am just having a short cloud session I use the drippper. If I have a flavor I really like and I will be hanging around for a while I vape on the genny. The genny doesn't do to well in my backpack if it's more than a 1/5 or so full because its liable to shift position and leak. So yes you can cloud chase on a genny, but that's mostly reserved for when I'm at home or at the vape shop.

 

[chambe]

I am also interested in chasing that ultimate cloud chaser coil. It seems to me with mech mods, the lower ohm you go the more vapor production. I love the dragon coil but have found that it burns quickly. Maybe I need to try it with bigger air holes, I just expanded my air intake with a slot instead of a larger hole. Used a dremmel disc to connect the two holes in my nimbus clone rda.

BUT.... I just made a 0.5 ohm 30g 4 wire twisted single coil that I am super happy with the vapor production. I'll post a video soon. And the great thing is it doesn't burn until the cotton is pretty close to dry. And the flavor in my opinion is superior to the dragons I've made in the past. I'm picking up different notes to the menthol I regularly vape.

As far as RDA's the nimbus XL is one I want to buy for cloud chasing. And higher amp batteries to go lower ohm.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Yeah, most of the cloud chasers I know are vaping toward the .25 ohm nieghborhood.

I am also interested in chasing that ultimate cloud chaser coil. It seems to me with mech mods, the lower ohm you go the more vapor production. I love the dragon coil but have found that it burns quickly. Maybe I need to try it with bigger air holes, I just expanded my air intake with a slot instead of a larger hole. Used a dremmel disc to connect the two holes in my nimbus clone rda.

BUT.... I just made a 0.5 ohm 30g 4 wire twisted single coil that I am super happy with the vapor production. I'll post a video soon. And the great thing is it doesn't burn until the cotton is pretty close to dry. And the flavor in my opinion is superior to the dragons I've made in the past. I'm picking up different notes to the menthol I regularly vape.

As far as RDA's the nimbus XL is one I want to buy for cloud chasing. And higher amp batteries to go lower ohm.

 

[BobC]

No, they are not passe... There are alot of high end gennys coming to market everyday, being bought by very experinced vapers....as you admitted yourself..you can't make gennys sing...it's not the attys fault..you haven't learned how to use them..

almost every dripper i know either has never tried a genny because

1) it looks like to much work , so never even tried one.
2)you can't blow clouds with them
3) tried to make it work but found it easier to go back to dripping rather than master something new.

Any dripper that I meet who was able to master a genny, and vaped a good one, always found them to be part of their rotation.

If it don't have a vacuum action bottom coil, it's a 2nd class atty. Anybody see anything new & innovative in the genny class lately?

 

[Equality 7-2521]

The most expensive and most highly sought after attys in the world are gennys..They are being bought by people who've vaped every type of device out there, and choose gennys, because of the flavor.

.vaccum action bottom coils are a great design I have several myself, but they don't deliver flavor as well as a genny.So, if you get a chance to buy one of those 2nd class attys like say a satburn 22 or a rocket from rocketsciencemods,or a nahaul,.....please I'll trade you all the kayfuns and tiafuns you want for them.


As for new, and improved that's a pointless and idiotic argument, new and improved works for coke and pepsi fans, but fads come and go......anybody see anything new in Japanese blade technology in the last 300 years yet I defy you to find a better cutting blade on the planet than a samauri blade. I own more than a few japanese chisels that use the same technology than they did centuries ago, and they are the best chisels in the world.
and despite a great design the gennys are evolving the most recent is a trend in new genny design for smaller and smaller firing chambers to intensify flavor.
I understand people being distracted by the newest and brightest bauble, but to dismiss a great vape, is your loss.

If it don't have a vacuum action bottom coil, it's a 2nd class atty. Anybody see anything new & innovative in the genny class lately?

 

[Seth999]

Go for a mech mod with a 30 amp sony 18650. For the RDA I run different set ups, just find what's right for you and looks like it would be easy to build with good contacts. You'll want two 1/8" holes for sure. Take a piece of 28g kanthal a few inches long then do about 12 wrap of 28g around it, pull out the inside piece and run a dual coil setup. Just put a piece of cotton under the coil not in it. Rip does a vid for one like this. Another one is super tightly twisted 28g with about 3 tight wraps about 1.5-2mm in dual coil wicked with cotton (watch the ohms).

 

[vecchiollit]

anyone know if the diamond coil can be wicked efficiently on a genesis style rba with cotton?

 

[Blackboar]

anyone know if the diamond coil can be wicked efficiently on a genesis style rba with cotton?

You would just thread the piece of cotton through the coils of the diamond, then twist them together and thread it through the wick hole. The challenging part is actually mounting the positive post because, unlike most RDA's , the positive and negative connections are not the same height. So you'll need to bend the positive lead up, then wrap it around the positive post.

I've built a couple diamond coils to experiment, but honestly, I could never get them to outperform a traditional micro coil build using twisted 28 or 30 gauge. I've only done diamond coils on my RDA's, never tried my genny, either. The trouble of building them is not worth the experience, IMO.

One more thing about diamond coils. After the coil is wrapped, said and done, you'll end up at about 1.5-2.0 ohms. It's because of the amount of wire it takes to build it. To run it efficiently, you'll need at least a 30 watt regulated device or build it dual coil.

 

[vecchiollit]

i used 28 gauge kanthal in my did clone on an ego vv3 mega battery and it melted the connection of the battery