Best Clearomizer/Cartomizer/Atomizer/Tank/etc?

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Hey all, new to the forum. Been vaping for about 2 weeks now. I'm using an eGo Twist 1000 mAh with a RCS STV Nova 2.4/2.8ohm and a bunch of Kanger T3s, one of which is faulty. I'm enjoying both the Nova and the T3, however I much prefer the Nova. Looking for something a little better. Is the Vivi Nova any different than the STV one I have? I'm open to the idea of Rebuildable tanks as well, so any recommendations are appreciated. I see AGA-T is really popular around here. I'm still fairly new to vaping which is why I'm here posting this thread. My current favorite eliquid is Hawk Sauce from MtBakerVapor @ 18mg nicotine / 65/35 PG/VG if that makes any difference. Thanks! :unsure:
 

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Welcome :thumbs:


You will need a larger device to run a rebuildable atty than an eGo battery. Plus, the RBA's are an advanced juice delivery device not recommended for beginner vapors. They do not work right out of the box and require quite a bit of tinkering to get them up and running well.

Many people are putting the RBA's on mechanical mods, or advanced personal vaporizors, which are the battery holders that run on removeable, rechargeable batteries. They can also be used on the APV's that have variable voltage and variable wattage as a function.

I'm not very familiar with clearomizers or clearo tanks like the Vivi Nova's, although I have owned and used them. My preference are cartotanks.
 

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Welcome :thumbs:


You will need a larger device to run a rebuildable atty than an eGo battery. Plus, the RBA's are an advanced juice delivery device not recommended for beginner vapors. They do not work right out of the box and require quite a bit of tinkering to get them up and running well.

Many people are putting the RBA's on mechanical mods, or advanced personal vaporizors, which are the battery holders that run on removeable, rechargeable batteries. They can also be used on the APV's that have variable voltage and variable wattage as a function.

I'm not very familiar with clearomizers or clearo tanks like the Vivi Nova's, although I have owned and used them. My preference are cartotanks.

Got it thanks. I'm going to be purchasing either an EVIC, Vamo or ProVari in the upcoming weeks, which is why I was mentioning RBA. As far as cartotanks go, would you recommend this: Boge F16 Cartomizer Tank (Clear) ?
 

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Plus, the RBA's are an advanced juice delivery device not recommended for beginner vapors. They do not work right out of the box and require quite a bit of tinkering to get them up and running well.

I still don't really see the logic behind statements like this. It's not like there are steps up in the tinkering process.
Someone using something other then RBA's for 2 years isn't going to be anymore prepared for a RBA then a new vaper.
 
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Kanger protank is coming out soon...what I'll be getting as soon as it's available...same probs as u kinda - hate carto tanks don't wanna get involved in RBA's, etc. seems like the perfect solution. psuerdo's got a review of it on youtube.

Amen. I'm really looking forward to trying the Kanger Pro. Glass + bottom feed sounds awesome.
 

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I still don't really see the logic behind statements like this. It's not like there are steps up in the tinkering process.
Someone using something other then RBA's for 2 years isn't going to be anymore prepared for a RBA then a new vaper.

Most beginning vapors know little if anything about resistance, ohm rating, voltage/wattage, etc. At least a moderate amount of understanding of these terms and how they interrelate with each other is a necessity. Basic knowledge of battery safety is also necessary. RBA's have a considerably higher learning curve than a clearomizer or a Vivi Nova tank. Even a cartomizer tank.

They don't work right out of the box and require a willingness to tinker with something to get it to work if first attempts fail. It requires some effort on the part of the user to self educate themselves, observing by reading or watching videos on how successful users had gotten their results. Users must learn how to oxidize stainless steel mesh and wire. How to roll a wick and wrap a coil.

Most newcomers do not want to get involved in this process. They are coming from lighting a cigarette and going. Beginning vaping setups are hard enough for a new vapor to gain a grasp on, let alone get into the complexity of RBA's.

The majority of new vapors are not prepared to jump into an RBA. There is no argument to be made here. Your questioning of this concept reveals your lack of understanding of the different levels of beginner, intermediate, and advanced vaping.
 
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Got it thanks. I'm going to be purchasing either an EVIC, Vamo or ProVari in the upcoming weeks, which is why I was mentioning RBA. As far as cartotanks go, would you recommend this: Boge F16 Cartomizer Tank (Clear) ?

Im also very new and Im using the boge tanks, very easy to use so far. No issues what so ever with them. Check out some videos on how to fill and prime them the right way though.
 

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I'm going to be purchasing either an EVIC, Vamo or ProVari in the upcoming weeks, which is why I was mentioning RBA. As far as cartotanks go, would you recommend this: Boge F16 Cartomizer Tank (Clear) ?

Whatever tank you choose, to lessen the learning curve nothing beats having some knowledge of how to set one up properly. There's a step by step guide here with video demonstration of how to set up a cartotank here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3710-5-cartomizer-tank-setup.html

If unable to view the link initially, try again after completing 5 posts. New members have limited access to certain areas on ECF.
 

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Most beginning vapors know little if anything about resistance, ohm rating, voltage/wattage, etc. At least a moderate amount of understanding of these terms and how they interrelate with each other is a necessity. Basic knowledge of battery safety is also necessary. RBA's have a considerably higher learning curve than a clearomizer or a Vivi Nova tank. Even a cartomizer tank.
Sure this requires a slight bit of extra learning, an hour of reading if that, will cover everything needed about resistance, ohm rating, voltage/wattage, etc


They don't work right out of the box and require a willingness to tinker with something to get it to work if first attempts fail. It requires some effort on the part of the user to self educate themselves, observing by reading or watching videos on how successful users had gotten their results. Users must learn how to oxidize stainless steel mesh and wire. How to roll a wick and wrap a coil.

This doesn't change from new user to long time vapor, they still need to make the same effort to learn to use a RBA when stepping up from a cig-like or clearo, etc.

Does vaping make people more able to do the research? How long must I vape before I am able to do the necessary research?


Most newcomers do not want to get involved in this process. They are coming from lighting a cigarette and going. Beginning vaping setups are hard enough for a new vapor to gain a grasp on, let alone get into the complexity of RBA's.

The majority of new vapors are not prepared to jump into an RBA.

It's your opinion that they don't want to get involved in the "complexity" of a RBA. Many posts I have read by people expressing an interest in RBA's are dismissed because the user is new. They shouldn't be told it's not for them because they are new. Explain it to them or link them to other threads, youtube vids, etc, that explain how RBA's work. Let them decide if it is beyond their abilities.

What do you think the time frame is that someone should be vaping before they try it?

There is no argument to be made here.

You are just stating your opinion on the matter, or just regurgitating someones opinion you heard in the past. All opinions are open for discussion.

Your questioning of this concept reveals your lack of understanding of the different levels of beginner, intermediate, and advanced vaping.

No, it shows my understanding that people have different technical abilities. I'm sure there are people that have been vaping for years that wouldn't be able to get a RBA working, just as there will be people that haven't ever vaped before that can start with a RBA and have great success.

In my opinion the success or failure has little to do with the length of time someone has been vaping, it depends on the persons technical ability and drive to learn. Since they are here asking questions I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt, rather then assume it's beyond them.
 

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Ok, in response to Hidings rant above, I have gathered information that someone interested in trying an RBA should know. Much of this is safety related concerning owning and knowing how to use a multimeter to measure coil resistance, knowing which batteries are best for an RBA, and what safety features an APV should have.

There are also video links on the more technical aspects of an RBA in general.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/4454-7-advice-tips-vapors-looking-try-their-first-rba.html
 
Sure this requires a slight bit of extra learning, an hour of reading if that, will cover everything needed about resistance, ohm rating, voltage/wattage, etc




This doesn't change from new user to long time vapor, they still need to make the same effort to learn to use a RBA when stepping up from a cig-like or clearo, etc.

Does vaping make people more able to do the research? How long must I vape before I am able to do the necessary research?




It's your opinion that they don't want to get involved in the "complexity" of a RBA. Many posts I have read by people expressing an interest in RBA's are dismissed because the user is new. They shouldn't be told it's not for them because they are new. Explain it to them or link them to other threads, youtube vids, etc, that explain how RBA's work. Let them decide if it is beyond their abilities.

What do you think the time frame is that someone should be vaping before they try it?



You are just stating your opinion on the matter, or just regurgitating someones opinion you heard in the past. All opinions are open for discussion.



No, it shows my understanding that people have different technical abilities. I'm sure there are people that have been vaping for years that wouldn't be able to get a RBA working, just as there will be people that haven't ever vaped before that can start with a RBA and have great success.

In my opinion the success or failure has little to do with the length of time someone has been vaping, it depends on the persons technical ability and drive to learn. Since they are here asking questions I'd rather give them the benefit of the doubt, rather then assume it's beyond them.

I couldn't agree with you more. I've pretty much given up on the forum just because it seems (as with most specialty forums), a lot of users thing it's some art that people have to work their way up to. I've realized there are very few things I can't do by either looking at it for a few minutes, or by watching someone else do it on a youtube video. The hardest thing about anything discussed on this forum I can find is getting information- not actually doing it. Please, it would really help for people to just help, not give so much opinion on how people need to work their way up on what sort of atomizer they use and all. If something leaks, it doesn't mean it requires someone experienced. It means it leaks. If something burns hot, it doesn't mean someone has to somehow condition their throat for it, it means it's going to burn your throat and there's some change that can be made to not make it do that. It's pretty basic stuff. And half the things I've seen about ohms on here are totally opinion when ohms are very standard- there's no room for opinion on that, and most of the principles discussed here on resistance could easily be learned just by setting up a home theater or car audio system and having to go through buying speakers.
 
Forget all the pros and the so-called "veterans," they blow a bunch of hot air, most are just rich kids who like to show off with their fancy "mods" and overpriced bling. Just dive right in, it's only a friggin battery and a wire, every atomizer is basically a light bulb without the vacuum. You should be more careful measuring out concentrated nicotine than worrying about meters. I NEVER have used a meter and have rebuilt HUNDREDS of coils, you get the hang of it by eye after a while and your chances of blowing yourself up are minimal. So many of these forum "experts" are douche bags who think they know it all -- just jump in and learn it like I did and save yourself a ton of money and forget all these self-proclaimed rocket scientists.
 

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Forget all the pros and the so-called "veterans," they blow a bunch of hot air, most are just rich kids who like to show off with their fancy "mods" and overpriced bling. Just dive right in, it's only a friggin battery and a wire, every atomizer is basically a light bulb without the vacuum. You should be more careful measuring out concentrated nicotine than worrying about meters. I NEVER have used a meter and have rebuilt HUNDREDS of coils, you get the hang of it by eye after a while and your chances of blowing yourself up are minimal. So many of these forum "experts" are douche bags who think they know it all -- just jump in and learn it like I did and save yourself a ton of money and forget all these self-proclaimed rocket scientists.

I'll let the novices and the other members of this forum decide for themselves who or what to believe on this subject. I'm not here to argue with anyone.

What you advocated above is not in the best interest of an under-educated novice nor of the best interest of the forum. You are in the extreme minority here. To call a PV nothing more than a battery and a wire sounds like an extreme simplification that a 10 year old might say. To make a coil and not test its resistance with a multimeter is ignorant. I'm surprised you still have all of your fingers and teeth...or do you?

On this forum we advocate safety above all else. What you advocate is unsafe and dangerous. You are welcome to be here and participate in the forums, but continue to encourage unsafe vaping habits and you can just decide now to leave for all that I care. And close the door behind you.


The batteries that we use in mods were not designed for our applications, they were borrowed from other applications. They were designed for use in items such as flashlights. Our APV's demand far greater resources from a battery than a flashlight and can easily push a battery to failure under extreme applications like sub ohm coils. If someone does not educate themselves on proper application of these batteries, then an accident is just waiting to happen.

I've read of e-cig shop vendors in California who sell a brand new vapor an already setup sub ohm RBA with a brand new mechanical mod with absolutely no instruction on proper safety in their use. Then the customer comes on the forum asking why the hot spring in their brand new mod collapsed and why their battery and mod got too hot to hold. That is just plain negligence on both the vendor and the customer. This not only involves them, but the entire vaping community because a catastrophe will make the national news and put a bad light on e-cigarettes.
 
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Forget all the pros and the so-called "veterans," they blow a bunch of hot air, most are just rich kids who like to show off with their fancy "mods" and overpriced bling. Just dive right in, it's only a friggin battery and a wire, every atomizer is basically a light bulb without the vacuum. You should be more careful measuring out concentrated nicotine than worrying about meters. I NEVER have used a meter and have rebuilt HUNDREDS of coils, you get the hang of it by eye after a while and your chances of blowing yourself up are minimal. So many of these forum "experts" are douche bags who think they know it all -- just jump in and learn it like I did and save yourself a ton of money and forget all these self-proclaimed rocket scientists.

Hilarious post.

I’m grateful for the knowledge and experience that Baditude, Face Meat and others pass on for no other good reason than to help others.
 
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