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Ok cool, good to know.
So are there big differences in the different cartomizers or are they all pretty equal? Does any cartomizer fit on a Provari? Would something like the Liquinator fit on any cartomizer?
I think the hardest part of this whole thing is trying to figure out which parts work with what!
Here is a link that may help......scroll down the main page and you will see the table of contents.....you can click in the table of contents and read about the subject you select...
The Wonderful World of Vaping | Vaping Guides to the Electronic Cigarette
The Wonderful World of Vaping | Vaping Guides to the Electronic Cigarette
Personally, I like bottom feeders due to the ease of use. I own several REO's and a VV Army Tank V2. Couldn't be happier with my purchases. The REO's are basically indestructible which is a good thing since I'm pretty hard on my mods.
For me, the best fit is a Silver Bullet and Reo Grand. Both are rugged and durable, and require minimal cleaning, which suits my needs. I do a lot of traveling and work outside, so I need something that can withstand the abuse and last long. I use a j-tank with the SB. Each can last me all day without refilling or changing batteries. I have no need for a variable voltage mod, as I am perfectly happy vaping at 3.7v with LR Boge 2.0 cartos. I have the silver vein design on the silver bullet, and black/black on the reo grand. They are beautiful works of art.
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I use the army tank.. it is a vv bottom feeding box mod.. but he's not taking any new orders right now. with that said, if you can afford a darwin or a provari, by all means get one. (or two) I do like having a feeding option on my device. I have gone with bottom feeding because the top feeding requires some modding. If you use a tank, you can buy one already made or make on pretty easy, but you have to cut holes in your cartos and I haven't worked up enough gumption to do that. I'm sure they work great, it's just the modding factor that makes me shy away.
I also like dripping when I'm here at home in front of my computer but if I get up to go do something else (like going to the bathroom) I don't want to have to carry around my bottle to drip. I've heard some good things about the drip-on-demand contraption at madvapes and might try it out sometime. Madvapes now has a inexpensive carto tank that looks interesting.
Whatever PV you decide to get I'd definately say get something with variable voltage. BUT.. the Old Goat bottom feeder is now $30 shipped and it is awesome with a 1.7 boge "resurrector" at crystalclearvaping.
The Old Goat bottom feeder would make a nice inexpensive backup.. I have a vv bottom feeder and still use my Old Goat with my cartos pretty much daily. He is very well regarded here.
And also the Reo (mini or grand or wooden) is a good pv with lots and lots of fans. It (along with the Old Goat) is a 3.7 device but with a Low resistance atty or carto makes a really good vape. I don't use attys on my Old Goat because they tend to cause it to leak inside the box but with cartos, I've had no leaking.
Good luck with whatever you choose!
I also like dripping when I'm here at home in front of my computer but if I get up to go do something else (like going to the bathroom) I don't want to have to carry around my bottle to drip. I've heard some good things about the drip-on-demand contraption at madvapes and might try it out sometime. Madvapes now has a inexpensive carto tank that looks interesting.
Whatever PV you decide to get I'd definately say get something with variable voltage. BUT.. the Old Goat bottom feeder is now $30 shipped and it is awesome with a 1.7 boge "resurrector" at crystalclearvaping.
The Old Goat bottom feeder would make a nice inexpensive backup.. I have a vv bottom feeder and still use my Old Goat with my cartos pretty much daily. He is very well regarded here.
And also the Reo (mini or grand or wooden) is a good pv with lots and lots of fans. It (along with the Old Goat) is a 3.7 device but with a Low resistance atty or carto makes a really good vape. I don't use attys on my Old Goat because they tend to cause it to leak inside the box but with cartos, I've had no leaking.
Good luck with whatever you choose!
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In regards to what atomizers and cartomizers work with the provari, basically anything with a 510 or 306 connection, because the provari is a 510 connection (and 306 is the same). You can use adapters, as there are certain models of e-cigs that take kr808, 801, or 901 (which is basically compatible with anything kr808-1)
...and 510 boge lr cartomizers will last you about 3 days a piece (a least they do for me, i go through about 4ml/day, bobas, bounty hunter and gorilla juice).
if you get 15 pack from crystalclearvaping at $20 a pop (free shipping) you are set for a month and a half.
if you get 15 pack from crystalclearvaping at $20 a pop (free shipping) you are set for a month and a half.
Cartomizers:
A liquid holding area and atomizer are combined together. There are currently five major types or classes of cartomizers.
Standard single coil Polyfill:
These have polyfill in them to suspend some amount of liquid. The idea is you can vape longer before needing to refill or replace it. Some have vertical coils in the center that run the length of the cartomizer (Boge, SmokTech). Some have a horizontal coil at the bottom (Kanger, Joye). These can all come in a wide variety of sizes, resistances, and liquid capacities.
Multiple Coil Polyfill:
These work like the vertical single coil cartos above in terms of how the liquid is suspended in a filler material. They have two (and some three) high resistance coils in parallel which gives an overall low resistance cartomizer. These tend to vape cooler (unless you have a device that can crank out a LOT of power), but the extra coil gives twice as much surface area to produce vapor.
Fillerless Cartomizers:
There are a few cartomizers out there that do not have any polyfill in them. Instead they have a tank of some sort, and wicks are used to carry the liquid to the atomizer.
CE2 Style - Has a top coil atomizer and a pair of wicks that suspend beneath the atomizer in a tank of liquid. At least two companies now make cartomizers based on this concept. MiT (Royal Smoker) and Bauway are the two that I know of. You can find them under vendor brand names like Clearomizer, Fluxomizer, Giantomizer, Maxomizer, Vision, and so forth. With the exception of the newer Visions, most of these E2 cartomzier types require a syringe or needle tip bottle to fill them out of the box.
Kanger T Style - Often known as the G4, G5, or Vortex. These have a bottom coil and a pair of very short wicks to carry liquid to the atomizer. To fill, one pulls off the mouth piece, drips in liquid, and replaces the mouth piece. They are usually clear.
CE3 - Sapphire - These are similar to the eGo T system in that they are bottom coil atomizers which have a single wick in the center of a tank above the atomizer. They are different from the eGo T in that they vape differently, and are single piece cartomizers with the atty built into them. While the CE3 Smokymizer and Sapphire Bud are based on a similar juice feeding concept, the manner in which liquid is put into them is quite different. The CE3 requires tweezers and a needle to get liquid in them. The Sapphire has a top plug you can pull out with your fingertips then drip or inject your liquid.
Cartomizers and Resistance:
In general, the lower the resistance of the cartomizer, the hotter the coils will get.
Of course this depends on your battery type and size. Multiple coil cartos can change this equation some, unless you are vaping at 5 volts and up...they'll run a bit cooler than a single coil atomizer at the same resistance...but, you'll have far more coil surface area converting liquid into vapor.
With a big battery VV mod, you can run any of them you want. Higher resistance cartos on a VV mod will give you a bigger curve of 'adjustment' in vaping temperature. Higher resistance cartos on the big mods may also give slightly better battery life (depending on how high you like to crank them up). Lower resistance cartos are still preferred by some because they sense that they 'heat up' faster.
What do I use?
I use some of it all, because seriously, each has advantages and disadvantages depending on the liquid I want to vape, how often I vape it, and what a particular liquid tastes and feels like through it. I have different moods as well...so I grab what fits my current mood and situation.
No, I didn't go out and spend a grand getting every carto type at once. Over time I've built up an interesting variety.
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Atomizers:
These typically have a single coil wrapped around a silica wick. They usually have a wire mesh bridge over that, and possibly some vertical wicking to hold and control the flow of liquid into the atomizer.
Unless they are bridge-less or otherwise customized, most atomizers can be used with a second piece called a cartridge. The cartridge is typically a hollow plug full of polyfill. Saturate the polyfill with e-liquid and insert it into the atomizer.
Many people prefer leaving out the cartridge, instead using a 'drip tip'. They regularly drip liquid directly onto the wire mesh bridge and keep it wet at regular intervals. Some even pull the bridge out (or order debridged atties) and drip right onto the coils. Note, very few debridged atomizers will still work with a cartridge (Pump Carts are one exception).
Both atomizers and cartomizers can come with a wide variety of threading options.
510 and 901 are probably the two most common standards.
With the Provari, or Darwin, you get a 510 standard, and can use 'adapters' to attach anything else you might want.
With the Buzz, and a few other custom mods out there, you can either use regular adapters, or order different 'end caps' for the threading of your choice.
Regular 510 and 901 atomizers are popular for dripping. Some people continue to modify the carts for them and use those as well.
The 306 has become popular. It has 510 threads, but the bridge is fully exposed instead of there being a barrel or cartridge area around it. These are best used for dripping with a special drip tip designed for the 306.
Some like a 'bigger' atomizer platform.
Mega 510 is one example...larger stuff! The 801 as another example, has a little bigger atomizer with an extra wrap or two in the coil. The barrel is quite long, and designed to handle a much bigger cartridge than the 510 or 901 style. Carts with either of these large atomizer types do work MUCH BETTER than the standard 510/901 counterparts.
You can also get 'hybrid' dripping atomizers built around mega or 801 atomizers on 510 threading. For that matter, there are all sorts of 'custom hybrids' out there if you look for them. Ikenvape is a good example vendor that carries several 'hybrid' atties and cartos to choose from. By hybrid, they mean, mixing and matching various atty types to make a new mutant atomizer type
'Tank Atomizers', like the eGo T or the 510 T.
These have a wick plate over the atomizer coils and a single wick that carries the liquid down. They require separate tank-cartridges to hold the liquid.
Custom Kits, are also out there which allow you to wind your coils and install them. There are also things like the Genisis, USF, Fog, and so forth. Some of these have guts that you can replace screwing in a standard off the shelf atomizer, while others are geared so you can replace the actual coil itself with your own nichrome wire. Many of these rebuildable kits are pretty expensive and hard to get unless you build your own. You're on your own researching these...I don't know much about them.
Which is best?
Again, it's subjective...and depends on what YOU LIKE.
Give them all a try at some point....as your liquid collection grows, you'll probably learn that each type has a list of pros and cons unique to each liquid and vaping situation you encounter.
These typically have a single coil wrapped around a silica wick. They usually have a wire mesh bridge over that, and possibly some vertical wicking to hold and control the flow of liquid into the atomizer.
Unless they are bridge-less or otherwise customized, most atomizers can be used with a second piece called a cartridge. The cartridge is typically a hollow plug full of polyfill. Saturate the polyfill with e-liquid and insert it into the atomizer.
Many people prefer leaving out the cartridge, instead using a 'drip tip'. They regularly drip liquid directly onto the wire mesh bridge and keep it wet at regular intervals. Some even pull the bridge out (or order debridged atties) and drip right onto the coils. Note, very few debridged atomizers will still work with a cartridge (Pump Carts are one exception).
Both atomizers and cartomizers can come with a wide variety of threading options.
510 and 901 are probably the two most common standards.
With the Provari, or Darwin, you get a 510 standard, and can use 'adapters' to attach anything else you might want.
With the Buzz, and a few other custom mods out there, you can either use regular adapters, or order different 'end caps' for the threading of your choice.
Regular 510 and 901 atomizers are popular for dripping. Some people continue to modify the carts for them and use those as well.
The 306 has become popular. It has 510 threads, but the bridge is fully exposed instead of there being a barrel or cartridge area around it. These are best used for dripping with a special drip tip designed for the 306.
Some like a 'bigger' atomizer platform.
Mega 510 is one example...larger stuff! The 801 as another example, has a little bigger atomizer with an extra wrap or two in the coil. The barrel is quite long, and designed to handle a much bigger cartridge than the 510 or 901 style. Carts with either of these large atomizer types do work MUCH BETTER than the standard 510/901 counterparts.
You can also get 'hybrid' dripping atomizers built around mega or 801 atomizers on 510 threading. For that matter, there are all sorts of 'custom hybrids' out there if you look for them. Ikenvape is a good example vendor that carries several 'hybrid' atties and cartos to choose from. By hybrid, they mean, mixing and matching various atty types to make a new mutant atomizer type
'Tank Atomizers', like the eGo T or the 510 T.
These have a wick plate over the atomizer coils and a single wick that carries the liquid down. They require separate tank-cartridges to hold the liquid.
Custom Kits, are also out there which allow you to wind your coils and install them. There are also things like the Genisis, USF, Fog, and so forth. Some of these have guts that you can replace screwing in a standard off the shelf atomizer, while others are geared so you can replace the actual coil itself with your own nichrome wire. Many of these rebuildable kits are pretty expensive and hard to get unless you build your own. You're on your own researching these...I don't know much about them.
Which is best?
Again, it's subjective...and depends on what YOU LIKE.
Give them all a try at some point....as your liquid collection grows, you'll probably learn that each type has a list of pros and cons unique to each liquid and vaping situation you encounter.
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If you're looking for a vv tube mod.I love the provari.I like the weight,the safety features and the ability to see the volts.It's super easy right out of the box.I have a Lil Mama tank on it.The mod lasts all day with no battery changes or refills.You might want a larger tank depending on how you vape.
Wood Mods VV-Sweet Vapes either the Sweet Vape or The Grip.The Grip is all custom mod.Beautiful woods and finishes.Brad will make it the way you want it. The Sweet Vapes is a ready to go vv wood mod. Both are bottom feeders.
Wood Mods VV-Sweet Vapes either the Sweet Vape or The Grip.The Grip is all custom mod.Beautiful woods and finishes.Brad will make it the way you want it. The Sweet Vapes is a ready to go vv wood mod. Both are bottom feeders.
Wow! This thread went viral since my earlier post and my props to a Provari. A lot of good info for someone who has been vaping for a while, but probably a little confusing to someone who is new to the scene. But either way, great community and info at ECF.
cheers,
cheers,
This is such an informative, concise and well organized post. This helps me greatly. Thank you very much, Credo!
One thing missing from the list, a single or dual coil wick with kanthal wire, aka genesis mod. Rebuildable and the ohms are controlled by the number of wraps around the wick.
So many choices and so little time 
It's more about properly matching what you use than it is about any one product being better than all others.
A common $1.30 SR Boge carto is a marriage made in heaven on my $10.00 5v pass through. Yet IMO that carto sucks on a 3.7v mod.
A 1.5ohm DC carto is a great vape in my carto pipe. Yet it trips the protection on my VV.
This Lime Ricky juice flavor that I have sucks in a 306 atty. Yet it comes alive in a 510 atty.
A great vape is a combination of things all coming togeather, not just the mod, not just the atty or carto, and not just the juice.
It's more about properly matching what you use than it is about any one product being better than all others.
A common $1.30 SR Boge carto is a marriage made in heaven on my $10.00 5v pass through. Yet IMO that carto sucks on a 3.7v mod.
A 1.5ohm DC carto is a great vape in my carto pipe. Yet it trips the protection on my VV.
This Lime Ricky juice flavor that I have sucks in a 306 atty. Yet it comes alive in a 510 atty.
A great vape is a combination of things all coming togeather, not just the mod, not just the atty or carto, and not just the juice.
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So many choices and so little time
It's more about properly matching what you use than it is about any one product being better than all others.
A common $1.30 SR Boge carto is a marriage made in heaven on my $10.00 5v pass through. Yet IMO that carto sucks on a 3.7v mod.
A 1.5ohm DC carto is a great vape in my carto pipe. Yet it trips the protection on my VV.
This Lime Ricky juice flavor that I have sucks in a LR 306 atty. Yet it comes alive in a SR 510 atty.
A great vape is a combination of things all coming togeather, not just the mod, not just the atty or carto, and not just the juice.
Hmm... sounds like a lot of "trial and error" will be involved to find my perfect PV.
But in time it will become second nature to understand what almost any given product needs to produce a great vape.
Yes and no.
Just pick one, research it here and on youtube if you like, order it, and enjoy.
Since you don't have a lot of experiences to 'compare' it with yet, you'll most likely enjoy it and get your $$$ worth. You'll also find little things about it that bug you
Over time just try some different things on occasion. Visit the PIF thread if your budget is crunched. Swap stuff around. Play the contests here on ECF. Attend a vape fest if you can find one near you! Some vendors will even send you samples of items they stock with your orders to promote items and encourage future patriotism with them...etc.
You'll be surprised how quickly you'll get your hands on alot of this stuff to try out for little $$$ if it's something that important to you.
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