Thanks, picked that one up in the custom atomizer part of a second post.
Is there a place to buy a Genesis pre made?
Thanks,
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Thanks, picked that one up in the custom atomizer part of a second post.
Is there a place to buy a Genesis pre made?
Thanks,
Credo
Pre made I only know of the classifieds. Its easy to build by yourself. I have one and it cost me like $1 to vape for a month. Totally unreal, spending money on china stuff that you use for a week and toss I don't understand anymore.
Sorry, OP wants a big battery mod. Also asked in 3 or 4 different posts for a run down on carto and atty types.
If you have a big battery VV mod on hand, you are open to ALL of this stuff.
Hi Reveen, welcome to ECF. I hope your anxiety/vaping issues are going better. Spend some time, read some reviews. You will find what works! The best of best is a highly variable description.
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Thanks!
With the help of some other ECF members and some deep thinking on my part, I've realized (duh) that it has nothing to do with vaping or nicotine, and its just something that I'm going to have deal with myself.
Good write up! I also prefer the Darwin but see the Provari right up there with it. I like the technical advantages in the Darwin and the much longer battery life (21 hours). And on the Darwin you can use dual coil cartomizers which you can't from what I have read with the Provari.
I have used them on the provari with no problem. Why do they say you can't?
Also OP, to find your sweet spot faster, its important to have a basic understanding of ohms law, and how it is applied to e-cigs.
See, its all about wattage. The zone for sweet spots ranges from about 7 watts, to about 10 watts. Some like it slightly lower, and some like it slightly higher. We know our watts based on the ohms law equation:
(V*V)/R=W
Voltage multiplied by itself and then divided by resistance equals wattage.
So 3.7v and a 2.0ohm carto would give us about 6.8 watts, not bad. 3.7v with a 1.5 carto would give us 9.1 watts, which is a nice vape (In my opinion). And finally 3.7v with a 3.0ohm carto gives us about 4.6 watts, which is considered by most to be a weak vape.
At higher watts, you may burn your juice. Some of my juice will burn off a freshly charged 16340 battery (4.2 freshly charged) and a 1.5 ohm atty, (which is 11.7 watts), and at lower wattage, such as a 3.7v battery with a 3.0ohm carto, you won't get almost any vapor or flavor.
But in regards to your situation, you can use this to get a basic guideline of what voltage will go with what ohms Cartomizer. Also realize that one juice may taste much better at 8 watts then at 10 watts, where as another juice might taste good at 9 watts and not 7. If you have a doubts though, you can always think to yourself, ok, I'll low ball it and hit for about 7 watts and see how that treats me, and go up from there.
Hope I didn't overload you with info, it just helps understand why we choose certain voltages with certain ohm cartomizers. You can also understand why VV is so important to many, because of the ability to hit the "sweet spot" with a different range of cartomizers/atomizers.
See, its all about wattage. The zone for sweet spots ranges from about 7 watts, to about 10 watts. Some like it slightly lower, and some like it slightly higher. We know our watts based on the ohms law equation:
(V*V)/R=W
Voltage multiplied by itself and then divided by resistance equals wattage.
So 3.7v and a 2.0ohm carto would give us about 6.8 watts, not bad. 3.7v with a 1.5 carto would give us 9.1 watts, which is a nice vape (In my opinion). And finally 3.7v with a 3.0ohm carto gives us about 4.6 watts, which is considered by most to be a weak vape.
At higher watts, you may burn your juice. Some of my juice will burn off a freshly charged 16340 battery (4.2 freshly charged) and a 1.5 ohm atty, (which is 11.7 watts), and at lower wattage, such as a 3.7v battery with a 3.0ohm carto, you won't get almost any vapor or flavor.
But in regards to your situation, you can use this to get a basic guideline of what voltage will go with what ohms Cartomizer. Also realize that one juice may taste much better at 8 watts then at 10 watts, where as another juice might taste good at 9 watts and not 7. If you have a doubts though, you can always think to yourself, ok, I'll low ball it and hit for about 7 watts and see how that treats me, and go up from there.
Hope I didn't overload you with info, it just helps understand why we choose certain voltages with certain ohm cartomizers. You can also understand why VV is so important to many, because of the ability to hit the "sweet spot" with a different range of cartomizers/atomizers.
Sorry for two post in a row, but its because you will get a error message at higher voltage with the dual coils, and a lot of people can't crank them up as high as they would like too. I assume anyway thats why he said that.
Darwin and Vari have similar but different limits with dual coils.
Both do it as a safety feature. They just handle it differently.
The dualies work very well on either one.
Both have an amperage celing. On the Darwin it is 3amps. Not sure about the Vari, but I suspect it is between 2.5 and 3 amps.
The difference is:
The Vari shuts itself down (or gives some sort of error message) if you hit that ceiling too fast. Just back off on the voltage a bit and vape on.
The Darwin does not shut down...it just stops cranking up the voltage once it tops out at around 3 amps of current, even if you keep turning up the wheel. So just because someone tells you they are vaping a dualie on a Darwin at 12 watts, that doesn't necessarily make it so. When the amps hit 3...it stops cranking up the voltage, even if your power wheel still has upward room to go.
For the Vari, go with 2 Ohm or 2.5 Ohm dualies and you should be able to approach the amp ceiling at around 5 volts or so.
Same for the Darwin, but on Darwin, you can also opt for the 3 Ohm dualies and drive them at well over 6 volts. This might be possible on the Vari as well, but I know the Darwin can go up to 12 volts...so you could definitely take a 3 Ohm dualie up to a 3amp current with Darwin.
I've only run across one or two folks who want to crank Dualies to their max so they turn fire red and scald the back of their throats. They either stack batteries and use a straight 6v unregulated mod, or have a VV one custom built that doesn't limit the amperage (could be dangerous...as few batteries out there that anyone seriously wants to carry around with them are meant to constantly dish out drains easily approaching 5 amps, but they do it anyway). I'm not sure about the Buzz Pro, it's possible that their newest one can crank out more amps...ask around if running "HOT" dualies or triples are terribly important to you.
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Everytime I have gotten an error I have cranked it down and it sorta is a pain but over all its workable. Thanks for explaining it like you did, kudos to you
I have an unregulated 7.4 volt if I really want to push a carto lol
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I have read here on ECF where some people have gotten error messeges and it shuts the Provari off. I don't know why, though.
The Darwin goes up to 12.7 watts which is where most people who use dual coil cartos set the Darwin for. It max's the voltage out at about 4.6 volts which is right in the "sweet spot" of 4.5v - 5.0v that most vets find as the prime vaping level for producing warm vapor with no burining of the eliquid. I've never burnt any eliquid ever vaping at 4.5 - 5 volts. Just nice warm, full vapor with excellent throat hit.
I use nothing but DC cartos these days 2.0-2.5 ohm at 4.5-5.5v on my provaris best options for sure.
I fully agree the Darwin drives the dualies superbly.
I need to attempt to clarify what I mean by a Darwin 'showing' 12.7 on the power dial doesn't necessarily mean it is delivering that much power:
With higher ohm dualies (2 Ohms and up), it IS possible to consistently put out the full 12.7 watts of power before the amp ceiling is hit. (3amps, 2 Ohms, 6volts, 18watts)
If the power wheel would go that high, you could actually achieve up to 18 watts before hitting the amperage limit. It doesn't go that high, because someone just might get burned pretty bad if it did! Safety is important.
My point is that the amperage limit is still valid (at least on my unit).
On my unit:
The wheel and readout goes to a power setting of 12.7.
The amperage maxes out at 3 amps, period. So if you have an atty/carto that draws three amps at a setting of 7, turn the wheel on up to 12 all you want, it's not going to put out anymore than 7 watts.
If you have a 1.25 Ohm atty, you'd be cutting it close, there might be a little room left at the top of the wheel. (3amps, 1.25 Ohms, 3.75volts, 11.25watts) So 11.25 watts is the power limit, even if you turn the wheel on up to 12.7.
With the 1.25 Ohm carto: The Vari would give an error message or shut down in that 3.75 volt range. You'd go into the menu and kick the voltage down a notch or two to get it working again.
With the 1.25 Ohm carto: The Darwin would just stop adding voltage at 11.25 watts, even though you can still crank the wheel up to 12.7.
That's the 'big' difference when it comes to how the two devices deal with the current limit. No brainer with the Darwin. You'd want to be 'aware' with the Vari.
Darwin = Overpowered luxury model with automatic everything.
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Vari = the sporty model with just the right amount of power and full manual control.
Both fully loaded with safety features, just a different approach.
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The Darwin gives you the ability to put any ohm atty or cartomizer on this mod and vape away. No other mod out there detects and adjust for the resistance of the atty or cartomizer. Normally if you buy a High Volt mod 5,6volt you have to use high resistance 3ohm and up attys no low resistance attys aloud which simulate High volt vaping on a regular 3.7 volt mod. The Darwin allows you to throw any thing with a 510 connection on it and you can adjust the wattage to increase or decrease what I refer to as heat levels. I have 2 of them and other mods and about 8 egos..The Darwin is the best.
You really can't go wrong with the Darwin. I'm a heavy vaper and using regular resistence attys/cartos, I still get 21 hours on a charge. With dual coils, I get about 12 - 13 hours on a charge. No need to every carry extra batteries. Plus it has regulated "boost circuit" technology so as the battery drains, there is no drop off in performance. It provides the most consistency of any model on the market, especially with it's ability to automatically adjust the heat to the atty/carto based on the change in the resistence due to use.
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