Beta Carboline MAOIs - towards a more effective e-liquid

[tceight]

tceight - are we thmbs up with the baby oil ?

You really would have to ask a chemist.
I like to limit variables as much as possible. It's no doubt safe on it's own, but what makes the lavender scent? is it an added ester? what happens to it at pH 11? is it still benign? I can't answer any of those q's, and won't make any recommendations other than to 'keep it simple'. Just because it comes from the kitchen doesn't make it safe, just 'safer'.

 

[toto1013]

Thank you kinabaloo for more pictures. Looking forward to the finalized instructions...In meantime, enjoying the detailed interaction.

 

[brooke.bradford]

A Psychologist I've been seeing says that the psychological component of smoking...the hand to mouth thing...the social thing which isn't as huge now as it was when i started smoking...is actually more powerful than the nicotine alone. and he has the letters PhD after his name which makes me think he has SOME idea about this...(not really sure tho cuz those letters mean little anymore LOL)

Sorry the reply is so late, I've just started reading this thread. But I can't pass this one up without a reply. Yes, the psychological components of the addiction (and there are several) are much more powerful than the physiological part. And really, that's one of the reasons that the PV is SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE than patches, gums, or any other method of consuming nicotine, when you want an alternative to smoking. It effectively mimics the actions and sensations associated with the addiction. "The hand to mouth thing" is commonly referenced as the most powerful part, but misses the mark.

The "hand to mouth thing" is an association with a thing learned early in childhood. By observing adults surrounding you, you learned that you can grab a thing with your hand, and you can transport it to your mouth. At that point you can consume it and it is UNDENIABLY YOURS!!! No one can take it away from you. Mostly it's a learned association with ownership and loss prevention. And yes, that's a pretty influential lesson in today's world.

But if you think about the very first thing you ate as an infant, It came from either a breast or a bottle. And who taught you how perform that action? NOBODY. The source of that knowledge was genetics and it is "hardwired" into what is referred to as the "primitive brain".

More on the act of "sucking". Whether it's a bottle, a breast, a thumb, or a "binky", it has a nurturing, and calming effect on infants. It's also a critical component of the infant's relationship with its mother, which of course is the foundational basis for developing all future interpersonal relationships as well. With that thought in mind, consider the importance of interpersonal relationships in our species...

Then consider the act of "sucking" on a cigarette, pipe, or pv... and the relationships between nurturing, calming, building interpersonal relationships, and satisfying an addiction. The "hand to mouth thing" doesn't seem to be quite as influential anymore, does it?

 

[slopes]

tceight - the lighter fluid was just an idea for getting around the problem of filtering. I saw it only as a temporary vehicle to get between A and B.

 

[kinabaloo]

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[slopes]

on another note... wondering about the difference in kins/slopes batches. Is it possible that the citric acid solution was too concentrated, thereby limiting it's capacity to take up the alkaloids? In Kins, it fizzed... meaning he had carbonate, and a lot of the acid he added would have been neutralized, thereby providing more dilute acidic water for the alkaloids to dissolve in.

I put a whole lot of Vit C powder into my final water solution... it just took a lot to reach saturation point (ie, before no more would dissolve).

 

[kinabaloo]

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[tceight]

tceight - the lighter fluid was just an idea for getting around the problem of filtering. I saw it only as a temporary vehicle to get between A and B.

yes, I just have concerns introducing any contaminants in the process. As we are vaping several times a day, for long time periods, we must consider the possibility of toxin buildup. This risk is true for food grade stuff too, I would just hope less so. check your PM.

 

[tceight]

VG is a good example in this regard.

Re the ester - it would have to become an alkaloid to make it through to the end product. And join the 100+ other unknown alkaloids

Do you mean the risk of acrolein production from VG?

yes, alka "loid" covers a wide spectrum. Anything with a nitrogenous base can be transfered preferentially, but ... anything even slightly soluble in both polar and non polar solvents will also get carried over. It doesn't clean things up 100%.

 

[slopes]

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[kinabaloo]

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[slopes]

This time the top oil layer is much less colored - a bit yellow. The lower water layer is still very murky but much darker than yesterday, like a dark chocolate.

Sounds like my effort yesterday - only my lower layer was black sludge with little water apparent. Did you grind your baccy up this time? If so, that has probably made a big difference.

 

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[tceight]

I've drawn off the mineral oil and saved it.

Added avocado to the remaining alkaline solution, shook it up and letting it settle.

Something very interesting - with the avocado oil added, the solution comes alive color-wise, the glorious amber color is clearly visible now. But what is it ?

from the beginning we've known that alkanes are inefficient solvents for this process. It's possible that Kin has stumbled upon a more efficacious non polar solvent.
It's also very possible, that there is a high moisture content in the oil, and what your colouring is, is water soluble stuff. This might explain why it took so much acid before it stopped fizzing too.
But when you transferred to the acid, you said the colour returned to what it was?

When I do the extraction, the mineral oil is deep dark amber. After transferring to the acid, the oil is a yellow colour, and the water has a brown tint.
if your oil isn't amber yet, you have longer to wait, or more mastication to do.

 

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[Virk]

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Is that code for ... you had a discovery???