Beyond the RSST? Search for the next Genesis...

[brickfollett]

I love my RSST. I've done some nasty crazy builds on it, drilled my top cap, microcoiled, haven't had a single leak or dry hit. The principle's of genesis atomizers are more or less all the same. It all comes down to the build, which is not a factor for me because I'm comfortable with my build skills.

I'm looking for something new. I'm getting a little tired of the look (I have the Pyrex and original version) and have been using it exclusively for 3 months. I'll bust out the Russian 91% occasionally, but it's just not the same for me.

The characteristics I'm seeking in the upgrade are simply a glass tank, and insulated wick hole. Obviously a quality piece. I'm not really looking to do dual wicks, because I can get a substantial vape from a single microcoiled SS wick. Having an integrated reducer for the top cap would be nice, but I can (and have) done that myself with a beer can and some cotton. I found a pretty cool one, but forgot the name of it. I want the fill hole to be able to be sealed, and don't really care if I have to access it via a screw.

I would also like to be able to adjust the alignment of the wick relative to the body of the mod. I set my RSST with the wick aligned with my Provari's display, so when I vape it, the button faces up. More or less it boils down to an adjustable positive pin. I can rig it flush mounted because I have a GRmodders beauty ring and if it's not flush, I'll just stuff cotton in the beauty ring to seal the deal.

I know I'm picky and have a somewhat outdated preference for my vape. All the rage right now seems to be the kayfun style atty's but they just aren't for me

Whaddya got?

 

[brickfollett]

bump bump.

 

[VaPreis]

Oooh, Oooh......

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[DurtyZ]

Hmmm wish I could help.. The only genny with an insulated wick hole that I know of is the rsst...
I would suggest the Kraken. I have one and it is amazing, I love it. Can be used in single or dual coil builds, adjustable airflow. The only thing is the fill hole doesn't have a plug and the wick hole isnt insulated, but that's never been a problem for me.

 

[brickfollett]

The dome is pretty crazy lol. Cheap fasttech clone may be an option, the authentic one is like 220 bucks lol, might as well buy another Provari. Thin glass scares me a little bit though

 

[Glenn_K]

For a genny that comes with a glass tank, a Z-Atty is an obvious choice, and it will look good with 'precious,' too.

I went from an RSST -- which I also liked -- to an AC9 purchased used. It doesn't have an insulated wick hole like the RSST (and the Z-Atty too maybe?), but the AC9 does have a plastic-bottomed tank like the RSST, and plenty of room between the wick hole and center post, all of which make mesh wick builds ez to do.

AC9's are pretty ez to find on the classifieds. I love this genny, and I plan to buy a glass replacement tank for it.

-- Glenn

 

[brickfollett]

The Z atty would be perfect if it had the little droplets on the base that cover the droplets on the Provari top cap. That's why I got the GR modders ring, which was a good chunk of change, but really gives any 22mm atty the "hybrid" ish look. Much more seamless than standard rings IMO.

I think the z atty has a little ring insert for it's wick hole if I'm not mistaken. Logically that just restricts down the wick hole, restricting the size of wick, restricting flow potential. Also, I'm not sure I have drill bits or skill enough to drill the top cap to 5/64" on the z atty without damaging it, since the metal is such a high grade. Far from the tin can type stuff on the RSST.

One I have looked at is the Pulse-G. Anyone else seen that? That is quite a piece of hardware right there

 

[brickfollett]

I went with the dome atty. 22 bucks on fasttech wasn't too shabby, plus I had some paypal credit from a prior return. Wound up being like 12 bucks out the door. The Pulse-G may be my next one if the dome isn't quite to my liking. I like the adjustable airflow option for sure

 

[VaPreis]

The Z atty would be perfect if it had the little droplets on the base that cover the droplets on the Provari top cap. That's why I got the GR modders ring, which was a good chunk of change, but really gives any 22mm atty the "hybrid" ish look. Much more seamless than standard rings IMO.

I think the z atty has a little ring insert for it's wick hole if I'm not mistaken. Logically that just restricts down the wick hole, restricting the size of wick, restricting flow potential. Also, I'm not sure I have drill bits or skill enough to drill the top cap to 5/64" on the z atty without damaging it, since the metal is such a high grade. Far from the tin can type stuff on the RSST.

One I have looked at is the Pulse-G. Anyone else seen that? That is quite a piece of hardware right there

I was going to recommend the Pulse G, but it doesn't have insulated wick holes. I recently received a Pulse G clone, and other than the crummy screws for the top cap reducer, it performs nicely, especially considering the dirt cheap price. It's an easy build because the top of the center post can be completely removed as you coil the wick.

I did have one issue with it though. The top cap reducer had a lip on the bottom of it that caused it to short to the center post when installed. I had to dremel the lip off in order to use it. Newer versions of this clone have that lip removed. It's funny because the real problem is that they countersunk the screw holes on the wrong side of the reducer. Had they countersunk the holes on the opposite side leaving the lip where it should have been (on the top) it would have worked just fine.

 

[brickfollett]

I was going to recommend the Pulse G, but it doesn't have insulated wick holes. I recently received a Pulse G clone, and other than the crummy screws for the top cap reducer, it performs nicely, especially considering the dirt cheap price. It's an easy build because the top of the center post can be completely removed as you coil the wick.

I did have one issue with it though. The top cap reducer had a lip on the bottom of it that caused it to short to the center post when installed. I had to dremel the lip off in order to use it. Newer versions of this clone have that lip removed. It's funny because the real problem is that they countersunk the screw holes on the wrong side of the reducer. Had they countersunk the holes on the opposite side leaving the lip where it should have been (on the top) it would have worked just fine.

Yeah the reducer is what caught my attention. I don't think it's possible for the fill hole to be plugged though is it? I don't have super high hopes for the dome, because my Pyrex RSST is my current genesis standard for the features it offers, but i'll be dang excited if the dome outperforms it. With all the screws and posts madness going on in there, it may as well be regarded as a reduced chamber genesis lol

 

[VaPreis]

Yeah the reducer is what caught my attention. I don't think it's possible for the fill hole to be plugged though is it? I don't have super high hopes for the dome, because my Pyrex RSST is my current genesis standard for the features it offers, but i'll be dang excited if the dome outperforms it. With all the screws and posts madness going on in there, it may as well be regarded as a reduced chamber genesis lol

No, it doesn't have a feature to close the fill hole. In single coil mode, it's filled through the small center hole of the reducer with a syringe.

 

[mr.mmgonzalez]

@brick I have the same set up as you with the provari and the RSST and I was never able to get too satisfying of a vape off that combination with cotton. I run the RSST on a mech mod with ekowool and it's such a nice vape! What kind of build do you have on that RSST on the provari?

 

[brickfollett]

@brick I have the same set up as you with the provari and the RSST and I was never able to get too satisfying of a vape off that combination with cotton. I run the RSST on a mech mod with ekowool and it's such a nice vape! What kind of build do you have on that RSST on the provari?

(Takes a big breath)

Here's my build, which I have down to a science almost. I take a fair chunk of #500 mesh, probably 2 inches long, torch it like crazy and do the traditional fold on the portion that belongs on the outside of the wick. I roll it hollow and it's usually too hollow for my liking. Ignore that for now. Re-torch and install the wick on the RSST.

Take a 1/8" drill bit with 28 gauge kanthal and I do 11 wraps (microcoil). Comes out around 2.4 ohms or so. If your wick is sitting tight in the wick hole, the coil should slide smoothly over the wick.When you hook up the positive and negative, avoid allowing the wick to bend. That's just how I do it and have been successful. Obviously turn your Provari down to 2.9 volts while pulsing and preferably do it in a dim area of your house so you can see the shorts when they happen (usually followed by an E1 or E8 error code). Be patient, and just fiddle with it. The shorts will go away, I promise.

Being that the wick is likely too hollow, get another piece of mesh, and make it so that it's about 3/4-1" in width by about half the height of your original wick. Torch and roll hollow to the point where you can slide this second sleeve INSIDE of your original wick. The whole thing should still be hollow. The idea is that the juice feeds up the wick, and air flows down it. Since you probably don't have the Pyrex RSST, you likely won't be able to see the bubbles come out the bottom of the wick while vaping. Don't worry, it's happening.

Once you get it glowing nice and evenly without shorts, test it out as high as 5.4 volts. If you can fire it at 5.4 volts without shorts (which you can), you're in business.

I use 100% VG juice, diluted down with distilled water. That way the juice will feed efficiently enough on the mesh wick. 100% syrupy VG probably won't work great on any genesis with mesh. At least not in my experience. Fill that baby up and put the fill cap back on. For some reason, it wicks better with the fill cap on.

You should be able to run it between 5.3 and 6 volts and produce monster clouds. I drilled my top cap out to 5/64" but 1/16" isn't bad either. I also did a reducer for the top cap which warms up the vape nicely.



Microcoil all fired up. Nice even glow



This is the reducer I built. Beer can bent just so, along with cotton to fill the voids. Cotton is fully saturated right now, which makes things a little messy, but nothing unreasonable.



There you can get an idea of how big the air hole is. Pretty wide open draw

Done properly, you won't get leakage or dry hits. #500 mesh was the best for me, and was a substantial improvement over #400.

 

[mr.mmgonzalez]

Thank you sir. Pyrex tank, check. 5/64 air hole, check. Mesh on the other hand...I have none lol I'll swing by my local shop and see if I can score some there. Never rolled SS mesh so I'm sure this will require a few attempts. I had the original air hole around 1/16 and I was like so I kicked it up big time with that 5/64. Interesting build with that beer can to say the least.

 

[brickfollett]

Thank you sir. Pyrex tank, check. 5/64 air hole, check. Mesh on the other hand...I have none lol I'll swing by my local shop and see if I can score some there. Never rolled SS mesh so I'm sure this will require a few attempts. I had the original air hole around 1/16 and I was like so I kicked it up big time with that 5/64. Interesting build with that beer can to say the least.

I'd say the beer can is more of a compliment to the RSST as a whole, not so much the build. Having the reducer in there won't help if the build is subpar. I have the top cap from my old RSST and new one, so I have one at 1/16" and one at 5/64. I worry that cotton wouldn't wick quite fast enough, especially given the amount of heat that's going on. Definitely go for #500 if you can. I hear that anything higher than that is pointless though

 

[Cearamm]

Alright my friend...i recently picked up an authentic DOME from atmomixani...and let me tell yiu....this this is the sickest atomizer of all freakin time!

I curretly have a single SS rope/mesh build. Flavor is totally out of this world. Much more concentrated than even my kraken, which up till now had the best. Much better than the kayfun/russian. To me it was totally worth the 200 dollar price.

Now i cant comment on the clone, but i cant get my DOME to leak even if i try really hard. If i leave a wick plug out, and turn it sideways or upside down, a drop or two will travel into the reduced chamber but it will stay there idefinitely. I cant figure out how it was engineered to not leak, but hey im not compaining!

I even fell asleep with it in my bed last night and i woke up 8 hrs later expecting a big mess, but not even one drop! Somehow there is a vacuum that exists in that tank.

Anywy, im sure youll be very pleased with that new atty!

 

[brickfollett]

Awesome man, I'm glad to hear that. If it's as good as you say it is, I'm sure the clone will be satisfactory to say the least. Do you wrap mesh around the SS rope? I've heard awesome things about SS rope, but haven't tried it yet. Could you provide a link to the EXACT rope your using? I myself worry about the air not being able to feed back down the wick hole given that the SS rope + mesh is likely tight in the wick hole. That's why I do hollow builds with my 500 mesh. Has a vacuum, air flows down, juice flows up, but no further, meaning no leaks.

Also, do you microcoil that bad boy? as you may have seen in my prior posts, that's how I set up my mesh builds. I recently took off the 2.2 ohm 26 gauge setup because it took too long to spool up, replaced it with a 2.4 ohm 28 gauge built. 11 wraps of 28 rather than 14 of 26 gauge. You can imagine how massive the old coil was lol

 

[mohitgarg]

I'm highly interested in trying out the dome, so sir once you receive it, please let use know how it goes.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Try this,glass RSST tank system.

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[brickfollett]

Lol I already have the Pyrex rsst, I was looking for something beyond that haha. A fine suggestion never the less

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