BIG BROTHER AT IT AGAIN - BIG TIME

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NerdyCinderella

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Senate Housing Bill Requires eBay, Amazon, Google, and All Credit Card Companies to Report Transactions to the Government
Broad, invasive provision touches nearly every aspect of American commerce.

Washington, DC - Hidden deep in Senator Christopher Dodd's 630-page Senate housing legislation is a sweeping provision that affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America’s small businesses. The provision, which was added by the bill's managers without debate this week, would require the nation's payment systems to track, aggregate, and report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government.....

Read rest of article: Senate Housing Bill Requires eBay, Amazon, Google, and All Credit Card Companies to Report Transactions to the Government -- FreedomWorks.org
 
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TropicalBob

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I need "Sneaky Government Moves for Dummies." What's the purpose of this invasion of privacy unless it's to set up a national taxation scheme for Internet transactions? And what does this quote mean: This proposal is estimated to raise $9.802 billion over ten years. How? We are very much in Orwellian times, Mr. Darcy.

And why does the government need to know I went to Amazon for "The Illustrated History of Pornography" and "Hidden Dangers in Your E-Cig"?
 

leaford

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Sorry, Senator Arney, I didn't take your word for it, I read the actual language. "The proposal requires information reporting on payment card and third party network transactions. Payment settlement entities, including merchant acquiring banks and third party settlement organizations, or third party payment facilitators acting on their behalf, will be required to report the annual gross amount of reportable transactions to the IRS and to the participating payee. "

Annual gross amount, not individual transactions. So, all Senator Arney's talk about privacy and identity theft is just scaremongering. This is just another means for the IRS to verify business income for tax purposes. Nothing new or ominous that I can see.
 

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Mr.Darcy said:
shall i start my 1984 argument again?whatta you say leaford,fancy going for round 2? :lol:
1984 has long been surpassed. Hell, "Big Brother" would wet his pants if he could use todays technology

I was always a big privacy advocate and therefore interested in such things.. and.. this is nothing outstanding. I mean, when things like the following happen, this doesn't sound so uncommon:
http://jp.dk/uknews/article1371510.ece
A Lolland dress shop owner has had a payment for six dresses made in Pakistan frozen by the US on fears that it is being used to support terrorism

Today, all you need is to slap the label of terrorism on anything and privacy goes out of the window.. The US is an especially bad boy at this - for example, it steals flight data from european airlines and so on. Sadly, other countries follow closely (germany, for example, is in the process of making a so-called "Bundestrojaner", a computer virus (trojan) to spy out the data of "suspects" without them even knowing it. As you can imagine, one could be a suspect if one knew someone who knew someone whose name was Muhammed). The worst (western) country in this aspekt I can think of is the UK. I was horrified to find a camera every 20 meters and camera mobiles driving around when I visited UK ~2 years ago.

Just remember, we live in a time where it's perfectly acceptable to sell telephone bug kits to children - which, in turn, are monitored by spy chips in their schoolbags

Some videos you really should watch:
Nothing to hide - Why you have to fear the annihilation of privacy even if you "have nothing to hide", from Liberty News TV (from the Quinn reports which now seem to have vanished from their site, else I would link to them)
Big Brother State
Trusted Computing
ABC report on RFID


Some links for you (about privacy in general):
Big Brother Awards - anualy awards for the worst privacy threats for many countries
Spychips.com - a page about RFID-chips
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

If you can speak german:
Der Wert der Privatsphäre - my text about privacy
Anleitungen - my tutorials about how to surf/chat/email without the thread of eavesdropping, secure file deleting and so on
Fefes Blog - Fefe's german blog about many things, also monitoring


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I bought cigarettes from an Indian Reservation in NY, on the internet by credit card.

Suddenly, I was told that all credit card/electronic transactions for the purpose of purchasing cigarettes has been banned by credit card companies to prevent internet fraud.

In a letter to all my credit card companies, I pointed out the fact that the purchase of anything over the internet is predisposed to fraud and their argument did not pass the smell test.

I later found out it was due to government pressure put on the credit card companies.

It is my conclusion that the pressure was applied to make it as difficult as possible to purchase from the Indians, as the Federal Government was not getting their cut! (DUH)

And here we go again!

Private Dodd! Drop and give me 50! Now get your .... back in formation and SHUT UP!
 
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TropicalBob

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This is happening elsewhere in the States. This quote is from a favorite shop of mine, Mars Cigars and Pipes:

"We currently do not have the ability to accept credit card orders, due to the loss of our card processor. All orders (for now) must be via mail and money order. Please do not call and ask us to run your card offline as that is not possible. We are sorry for the inconvenience, but this was completely out of our control."

Other forums have suggested the reason is fear of litigation. It would only take a successful online order by one 12-year-old in a sting operation to launch a lawsuit against a shop, the card processor and the delivery service. The card companies are simply the first to abandon tobacco's sinking ship.
 

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Count MA as someplace else this is happening, that article is what three years old and I've never had a problem .. until today. Guess why...

The new state tax went into effect this week, doubling the taxes we were already paying on them , generics are like six bucks a pack now, name brands are 6.75 and up in state and not only did the tobacco store owner tell my husband that the state is now trying to monitor all internet sales and purchases of cigarettes, both coming into and leaving the state, to make sure they get their cut and that 'is' why their doing it, their not even trying to hide it or blame it on the kids. To add insult to injury they have also posted state troopers out along the NH border since it went in to stop people coming back into the state just to check to see if their bringing home to many cartons of cigarettes because they want to make sure its not worth it for them to spend the gas to cross the border to buy a ton of them like people used to. Two carton limit, yet I can buy a computer and all its many accessories in NH, I have, and cart it right across the border no problem, no state taxes. Their actually stopping people just to count their cigarettes. Its insane, its probably costing them today's tax money in cigarettes just to keep them out there wasting their time on that, this is what we're paying taxes for , for troopers to sit around counting cartons of cigarettes.

The new tax is like a 1.50 , so now we're paying about 3.00 at least in taxes per pack , actually I think its more because there was already a tax on them when they added the last dollar fifty tax. When they threw that one up, after everyone had already started quitting, they at least pretended it was going to state funded stop smoking programs , pretended mind you I never heard of a single free state funded program here nor was ever offered one. Their not even bothering to pretend this time though.

Litigation and kids have nothing to do with this, its just flat out greed and laziness, they know there are more non smokers then smokers, a lot of smokers quit here when the first tax that high went in and I'm sure that will happen again, their trying to make a bigger profit but their tax is just going to drive it right back down to where it was before they put it in. But they know not enough people are likely to care enough, since it doesn't effect them yet just those evil smokers, to make enough noise about the rest of this stuff for it to matter.

I wonder what they will pin their three dollar tax on to keep the state govt afloat when it inevitably looses more of that smoker income due to its own insanity, since apparently smokers are the only ones that owe the state support.

Meanwhile mind you, they want to put legalizing pot on the ballot here this year...I would say that was contradictory considering the great lengths their going to, out of the kindness of their hearts to get us to quit and keep our kiddies off cigarettes...if it didn't make it so blatantly obvious that this has not a damn thing to do with how bad burning herbs are for adults or children, but only with lining their pockets

Ilyanna
 

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We've got exactly the same problem here in the UK.

In England we've had a blanket smoking ban in public places for a year now. So many businesses have gone bust because of it, peoples' social lives have been wrecked, particularly the elderly with the closure of bingo halls - often the only place they could meet their friends.

What's at the back of the smoking ban? Here in the UK, our government, aided and abetted by the medical profession and ASH. Who's backing these campaigns? The big pharmaceuticals who are pushing their dubious anti-smoking products which they charge the earth for. E.g. NRT chewing gum at £15 ($30) a packet. HUGE profit there. Then there's that mish-mash organisation - WHO. Who pays their fat salaries? Big pharma.

The whole anti-smoking thing is based on junk science, lies and scare-mongering - all in the name of PROFIT.

I know I'm sick and tired of people telling me what I should do with my life, what I should eat, drink, how I should spend my social time etc.

It's time people started fighting back against the various governments and health freaks.

The site Freedom2Choose.org is a good place to start. We have members from many countries including America and Canada.

For some reason I can't put on the full web address as I have less than 15 posts.
 

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Phillip Morris' CEO has been quoted as being disappointed in the way that the government is spending the tax settlement money. It was supposed to be spent primarily on programs that discourage youth smoking. PM has paid $46 billion so far since 1997 and they and the other tobacco companies will pay $200 billion over $25 years.

There are many articles that talk about shaky expenditures made by states using tobacco money.
 
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