Big Tobacco makes secret plea to avoid payout

[kevbow]

Big Tobacco makes secret plea to avoid payout - Addictions- msnbc.com

 

[River]

Tbo, that does not really seem fair, at the time they were doing that automobile dashboards were made out of razor blades, four out of five doctors recommended asbestos for what ails you, the number one family pastime was jarts, and televisions emitted more radiation than my microwave.

You would think they would at least get time served for lying about smokeless tobacco and putting warning labels on the can that it's as bad for you as smoking.

 

[Kattdaddy]

Tbo, that does not really seem fair, at the time they were doing that automobile dashboards were made out of razor blades, four out of five doctors recommended asbestos for what ails you, the number one family pastime was jarts, and televisions emitted more radiation than my microwave.

You would think they would at least get time served for lying about smokeless tobacco and putting warning labels on the can that it's as bad for you as smoking.

I generally would sympathize in very much the same way that you have but.... That was then and this is now. This industry has made its buck and at our expense. Nobody here has ever started smoking with the understanding that it was healthy for us. At the same rate, the information provided by PM and all the other affiliates was heavily lacking because their expectation was that we are just ignorant people that they could influence by providing a product that would time and time again provide their pocket book with change.

I cannot make the excuse for myself for smoking.... I cannot take back years of damage incurred from a product that the industry for years and years hide from fully releasing its' real affects, I can't get the money back into my hands that I have basically burned dollar bill after dollar bill. All of this was from an influence.... A role model, a company that used its wit to put a product on the market that speaks to the couriousity of an individual ... We put some kind of trust in their word and they lied to us from the get go. If you are not frustrated or even enraged that they would hide those findings and let the consumer take the fall not with his money.. but with his life!!!!! Then, I tell you!! There will come a time when you will finally face the wall .... That doctor will tell you that you had many great years but the damage is done and cancer has spread where it is unoperable!!! Sorry, but your out of luck.... Good thing kis that this will be your last medical bill that you will have to pay to me!

 

[tims]

I don't know witch one is worst the gov't or big tobacco, at any rate the gov't knew what big tobacco was doing the whole time, and they collected tax on tobacco the whole time.

They made a deal with big tobacco, taking away our rights to sue big tobacco, we should be able to sue the gov't for their actions, and not informing us about tobacco as well.

 

[AJMoore]

Tims - Yes re: gov and tax. But I knew (have known) for years what I was doing to myself, no illusions here.

 

[tims]

I knew that as well, but the point is they went after big tobacco, and got them begging for their very lifes, and they had no right to keep tobacco users, from suing big tobacco when they was and are just as bad.

 

[AJMoore]

Agreed. Big tobacco, pharmacuticals, FDA - what a big bed it would take to get them all under the covers together.

But aren't we happy now? I can't belive I can quit smoking after 40 years without trauma.

 

[tims]

Yes I am very happy, it feels good being tobacco free for 4 days.

There is a good bit to this though, we have out moved them all by vapin, I'm not sure how long it will last but for now. We can indeed be happy, knowing we are one step ahead of them all for the time being.

 

[AJMoore]

Tims - right -O. But I find I'm "using" less and less. This has got to be the most unpainful way to get away from the cancer stick.

We are way ahead and hopefully we can drag the rest of them with us.

How is it that you are only tobacco free for a few days?

 

[tims]

I wanted to make 100% sure, I had all the stuff needed to stop tobacco, and vap instead at first I got a janty dura C kit.

1 battery was DOA the other didn't last long, then I tried my own mod, that had problems so then I got a prodigy V2. As soon as I got that, and had the ecig supply's I stop tobacco all together.

So now it's day 4 with out any tobacco, and I'm doing pretty good, the morning is the hardest for me, but after vapin a few mins I'm ok then, I still feel odd at times but getting through it good.

 

[dee5]

Didn't all the tobacco companies already payout millions in settlement money a few years ago? Or was that to states and now this is federal?

 

[tims]

That was to states, and yes it now to the federal gov't.

 

[rothenbj]

Didn't all the tobacco companies already payout millions in settlement money a few years ago? Or was that to states and now this is federal?

Yes, that money was paid out to the states to handle the increased medical costs associated with smoking related diseases and smoking prevention programs. Most of that money was spent on whatever the states needed money for at the time.

As I recall, NY used theirs to bolster their failing budgets and North Carolina gave millions to tobacco farmers to upgrade furnaces to make "better tobacco"

There were schools built, harbors improved, budgets repaired all at the expense of smokers. We paid for all that and it continues. It's an ongoing theme and it' s not limited to tobacco.

Social security is in trouble because money was diverted constantly. I can remember when lotteries were established for the benefit of the elderly. The money gets diverted to wherever the gov wants to spent it.

Now they don't want you to be able to get a job if you smoke, they want to charge you more for insurance if you smoke, they want to ban you if you smoke. More importantly, they went you to not remember the history of how we got here.

How will the Federal government spend your money this time when they settle up with BT? You know who will pay for any payout. Smokers... And isn't there a new tobacco product out there that's "probably worse than cigarettes" that the government needs to get under control before its too late?