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[WattWick]

Lets see how many "bla bla bla bla lba" responses I get from these questions...

Should the FDA allow this to go on with no science to back it up and expose the general public to it?

Hell no. I'm surprised they are being as lenient as they are.

Are e-cigarettes way safer than tobacco cigarettes?

Probably, but it has not been proven by the scientific comunity (yet).

Is it right that the FDA and society handle this with the same rules as smoking?

Hell yes. Until it is proven by science that it is safe.

If this was an anti smoking forum you would all be applauding my opinion.

Go to casaa.org. Read.

 

[Fisheeboy]

But this isn't an anti smoking forum. It's a pro ecig forum. Which means you are only here to troll and piss people off. Therefore my time for you has expired.

I'm gonna have to agree with this right here.
I may not be such a bright Fishee but I know better than to take the bait because I know there's a hook hiding inside. I learned to swim right past these things for the most part.
But for all of those that have given informed and valuable comments to the bla bla bla i give big props to you all and wish I could hit the "like" more than just once.

 

[alisa1970]

RE: the government needs to prove a thing "safe" before it can be approved...

You can't prove a negative, and proving something "safe" is just that. An absence of negative effects. How do you prove that??? Can't. The government (or any regulatory or scientific body) can only prove harm, and as yet can't do so. Harm is the evidence, not the lack of harm. And there is less evidence of harm from the 10 years ecigs have been around than there was for many "approved safe" drugs that have been released to the public (anyone remember Phen Phen?).

It stands to REASON then that any new product, in the absence of proven harm, be allowed free distribution until such time as a harm can be proven. Those who are fearful of future risk take it upon themselves to tread with caution if deemed appropriate.

That's how this stuff is supposed to work. Since ecig regulation is not being approached this way it's easy to see that there are other forces other than health and safety at work here. And I think everyone should be able to agree that that's NOT a good thing.

 

[crxess]

Prohibit under age purchase - Yes
Deem as a tobacco product - No.............. -0-Nic = Not a tobacco product......Period - Synthesized Nic = not tobacco

Add in terms indicating future regulations as seen fit............with no public discussion or weight on changes - Hell No

The Problem is NOT the regulations but the Regulators.

No different than getting permission to open your front door and then invading your home and taking whatever one sees fit.

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My question:
How would they classify my:
Nemesis
Kick
18650
Kayfun
DIY Mix
in relation to the Cig-a-like which is their only point of reference in Deeming?
These things have next to nothing in common and I know exactly what I am using.
Even the flavorings have MSDS disclosure.

Sadly your thread title seems to be the way the FDA hears anything we say - Bla Bla Bla........

 

[Kryyptyk]

Well put. Well put.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

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Looks to be a slaughter.

 

[beckdg]

my question, mr. bob calvanese...

did you serve your country or did you perform services for your country for a better place for it's citizens?

or in laymans terms, where you a sheeple that just did what you were told because "my country" or were you herded with the mentality that it might help friends, family and strangers in the long run?

 

[Suss]

No offense meant BUT....... if you served after WW2 you weren't serving this country.

 

[Dave_in_OK]

RE: the government needs to prove a thing "safe" before it can be approved...

You can't prove a negative, and proving something "safe" is just that. An absence of negative effects. How do you prove that??? Can't. The government (or any regulatory or scientific body) can only prove harm, and as yet can't do so. Harm is the evidence, not the lack of harm. And there is less evidence of harm from the 10 years ecigs have been around than there was for many "approved safe" drugs that have been released to the public (anyone remember Phen Phen?).

It stands to REASON then that any new product, in the absence of proven harm, be allowed free distribution until such time as a harm can be proven. Those who are fearful of future risk take it upon themselves to tread with caution if deemed appropriate.

That's how this stuff is supposed to work. Since ecig regulation is not being approached this way it's easy to see that there are other forces other than health and safety at work here. And I think everyone should be able to agree that that's NOT a good thing.

Well said! Wish I could give you a 1000 likes.

 

[bcalvanese]

No offense meant BUT....... if you served after WW2 you weren't serving this country.

Is that why it said US Army on my uniform?

Or was that yet another government plot to make me think I was serving the US?

 

[bcalvanese]

Looks to be a slaughter.

I know. It's kind of what I was expecting.

 

[ScottP]

It saddens me to see people who actually want to be cradle to grave dependence on the government. What's next, will you want the government to create a Department of Diapers to come change your depends?

 

[jensy]

The whole premiss of a miltary is to train soldiers to follow and not question . I think they really got through to you.

 

[WillyZee]

mark my words OP ... future FDA regs will hand the vape industry over to BT on a silver platter.

you will be posting about the good old days of vaping soon

 

[bcalvanese]

You know what I get sick of? I get sick of people telling me that if I don't like this, or I don't like that, then I don't love my country and should leave it. That, my friend, is VERY close to what they tell you in those countries you were speaking of earlier. It's the very heart of democracy and the American way of life to question those we have put into positions of power, and to make sure that they are doing the peoples will. What other countries are like has absolutely nothing to do with what I should or shouldn't do to improve my own. And I'm a card carrying, tree hugging liberal. And while i appreciate your service, along with my Fathers, and my Grandfathers, that also has nothing to do with appreciation for ones country.

Now, as it pertains to vaping. The PUBLIC is who we should be educating. If you quit smoking with an E-cig, you should be telling ever non smoker you now about that accomplishment, and every failure you had BEFORE finding these. Politicians don't give a hang about your health, they care about being elected. That's how politicians keep their jobs. Get the general public behind this and all the rest falls into place. as it stands now, i would say that Joe average considers us smokers.

And don't even get me started on the need for regulation to research. I would welcome in depth, long term, govt funded and sponsored research. This IN NO WAY hinges on regulating or not PRIOR to the research.

I agree with alot of what you are saying, but i for one want to see the ingredients of what I am breathing into my lungs and make my own choice. Most vendors do not list the ingredients at all. I think they should have to. The ones that are not are probably cooking it up in their bath tub. I want liquids to have to be made to a safe standard in a safe environment even if I have to pay more for it.

 

[chellemmm]

Before you call someone an "idiot" for disagreeing with you, perhaps you should check your spelling and punctuation.

The solution for you not to buy "bathtub" juice is not to buy any juice that you are not sure of. d'uh

 

[bcalvanese]

The whole premiss of a miltary is to train soldiers to follow and not question . I think they really got through to you.

Ever hear of a lawfull order or the rules of deadly force?

Stop acting like you know what you're talking about.

 

[bcalvanese]

It saddens me to see people who actually want to be cradle to grave dependence on the government. What's next, will you want the government to create a Department of Diapers to come change your depends?

I'm old, but not that old yet.

 

[chellemmm]

LAWFUL. Does not your device have a spell check function? Grammar has rules, too.

 

[bcalvanese]

mark my words OP ... future FDA regs will hand the vape industry over to BT on a silver platter.

you will be posting about the good old days of vaping soon

I dissagree. It will be handed over to any "good' company who does what it takes to get their product(s) to market within the safety standards.

The smart vendors are the ones that have been preparing for this and not .....ing and moaning about it.