Oregon banned sales and the FDA has nothing to do with it. It didnt take very long. They just did it. All the other states can do it too, no matter what happens with the FDA.
Sick of the hysteria
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That is misinformation, they stopped 2 companies from selling them in a mall because of the practices they were using.
Read the updated information here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-update-banning-oregon-e-cigarette-sales.html
So it just goes to show any state attorney general can make up any ruling they want and stop ecig distributors from selling. Many of these suppliers here would not be able to prove that their juice is safer than cigs within 72 hours, and shutting down for any length of time would hurt.
I am not one of those who think the sky is falling, mind you, just that we need to get word out to those who don't know any better so the wool doesnt get pulled over anyone's eyes with the one sided, purposely leading reports.
As someone who smoked over 25 years and having quit the day I received my first ecig, I believe I have a right to be anxious, and do everything I can about government taking away my new found solution for a healthy lifestyle.
I am not one of those who think the sky is falling, mind you, just that we need to get word out to those who don't know any better so the wool doesnt get pulled over anyone's eyes with the one sided, purposely leading reports.
As someone who smoked over 25 years and having quit the day I received my first ecig, I believe I have a right to be anxious, and do everything I can about government taking away my new found solution for a healthy lifestyle.
It is nice to see optimism here. I hope you are right regarding how long it takes for the government to respond. My concern at this time is mostly with ASH trying to get e-cigs banned. I'm not so much concerned with the FDA, other than the presentation of the data they found.
Please don't take my posts wrong. I actually tend to agree with you that the case is not so severe and a hard ban with decent enforcement is unlikely any time soon.
However comparing the way Nicorette came to market to e-Cigs is Apples and Oranges.
Nicorette is a product of Johnson & Johnson a US manufacturer with experience working with the FDA and under FDA regulations. When they released Nicorette in the US they started out right.
However e-Cigs where originally invented and marketed by Chinese companies for the Chinese market. The regulatory systems for China are as you know less stringent, and the companies less familiar with our way of doing things. The e-Cigs started being imported on a small scale and that grew to the market it is today. Most of the manufacturers don't even have a US division, and most of the US distributors are small buisnesses. Nobody like Johnson & Johnson is involved with e-Cigs.
However comparing the way Nicorette came to market to e-Cigs is Apples and Oranges.
Nicorette is a product of Johnson & Johnson a US manufacturer with experience working with the FDA and under FDA regulations. When they released Nicorette in the US they started out right.
However e-Cigs where originally invented and marketed by Chinese companies for the Chinese market. The regulatory systems for China are as you know less stringent, and the companies less familiar with our way of doing things. The e-Cigs started being imported on a small scale and that grew to the market it is today. Most of the manufacturers don't even have a US division, and most of the US distributors are small buisnesses. Nobody like Johnson & Johnson is involved with e-Cigs.
Therefore, you do not market your juice as safer than cigs. The state and feds can not just do whatever they please...I mean yeah they virtually can but there is process that they need to fanagle.
I agree we have the right to be anxious about what is going on, and that is not my concern. My concern is the amount of posts and thread titles with language like : this is the end!, this is really bad news! we are doomed! time to stock up, the fda has won!... That accomplishes nothing. It just demoralizes people and turns away smokers who are coming on here to see if maybe this would be a good alternative.
But you do obviously have the right to say whatever you want. I just think this place could be used more constructively.
That is actually one of the reasons it got me thinking about this. I have given the address to this forum to 2 smoke shops in town, but with all the doomsday threads, it may turn them off from getting involved carrying e-cig products and supplies.
I agree about the negative hysteria on these boards. I'm sure after our experiences with e-cigarettes we can all say that this IS the future of smoking one way or another. We just need to convert more smokers so there is a public outcry. Nothing makes those in power worried except the possible loss of that power. The FDA is not permitted to ban nicotine outright, which is what happended to some other drugs (including X which you used to could buy in the friggin night clubs).
Besides, can't individuals in Australia still get shipments from China despite their ban. If you read some of their posts it makes be grateful to live in a free country, not a place where inspectors can enter your home if the suspect you own an e-cigarette and arrest you.
Besides, can't individuals in Australia still get shipments from China despite their ban. If you read some of their posts it makes be grateful to live in a free country, not a place where inspectors can enter your home if the suspect you own an e-cigarette and arrest you.
This is the bad thing about any forum. People sometimes don't stop to think of the ramifications of them using their freedom of speech...especially with a HOT topic. There will always be extremists, but I still believe that most people are intelligent enough to form their own opinions.
Given the e-cig situation, it would behoove folks to stop a moment and think, "how could this be interpreted?" Sometimes, we're amazed when people have completely different interpretations. We accuse the media of sensationalism (rightly so) but we probably need to be a bit more aware of doing it ourselves.
Given the e-cig situation, it would behoove folks to stop a moment and think, "how could this be interpreted?" Sometimes, we're amazed when people have completely different interpretations. We accuse the media of sensationalism (rightly so) but we probably need to be a bit more aware of doing it ourselves.
I know that it is hard to have faith and trust in your government and elected officials, human beings have one basic truth to all of us, Everybody lies, I would like to see alot more honesty on everyones part. God knows its the last thing we could expect from the feds, but do you take to heart everything that liquid manufacturers tell you. Its business on both sides.
Co-operation, patience, knowledge, and education, is our key to get through this ban hysteria, we need to work with the FDA not against them!
Ya it might be save face, or smile and dance if you will. But hysteria, propaganda, and rumors will get us all on talk radio talking to glenn beck ab how the aliens stole are ecigs
Co-operation, patience, knowledge, and education, is our key to get through this ban hysteria, we need to work with the FDA not against them!
Ya it might be save face, or smile and dance if you will. But hysteria, propaganda, and rumors will get us all on talk radio talking to glenn beck ab how the aliens stole are ecigs
Flavius once said "in a time of peace it is best to prepare for war". Translate that into "in a time of supply it is best to prepare for a ban". There is hysteria out there, and none of us want e-cigs banned, but it is best to be prepared either way this turns out.
Best case scenario, you can turn around and sell any extra stock (probably at a loss) with an FDA approval but what are the odds of that? What you can do all depends on the size of your wallet and appetite for this alternative to smoking cigs.
It is up to us to read through the lines and decide what is BS and what is true here. Sometimes thats easy, sometimes thats very hard. Use your best judgement.
Best case scenario, you can turn around and sell any extra stock (probably at a loss) with an FDA approval but what are the odds of that? What you can do all depends on the size of your wallet and appetite for this alternative to smoking cigs.
It is up to us to read through the lines and decide what is BS and what is true here. Sometimes thats easy, sometimes thats very hard. Use your best judgement.
jexmexI'm actually quite frankly sick of this myself, the overall large picture this Forum is presenting more and more of these Threads with really bad, negative sounding names. If you want to see real hysteria, look in on the very next Town Hall Meeting in your area, courtesy of your Congressional members. At least have the courtesy to the Forum to name your threads with a little more respect to our Benefactors. To publicize your personal opinions, do so, please do, but if you want to conduct bashing by naming sincerely concerned and occasionally outspoken people as "hysterical", please feel free to set your own forum, your rules, your like-minded followers will oblige your lead.
"Paypal called cigtechs" Jexmex, have you seen this in the ecigarette news section...?
Where there are many other ways of buying supplies, this is just another example of how people have been affected by the unscientific FDA reports.
I do not like negative anything…but reality sometimes bites!
Also, I absolutly do not want the negative statements, or more correctly stated “concerns”, to discourage any newbies to try and enjoy vaping because of these unfortunate reports.
Where there are many other ways of buying supplies, this is just another example of how people have been affected by the unscientific FDA reports.
I do not like negative anything…but reality sometimes bites!
Also, I absolutly do not want the negative statements, or more correctly stated “concerns”, to discourage any newbies to try and enjoy vaping because of these unfortunate reports.
C'mon, let's not overrate the FDA. Like most fed agencies (apart from DoD and the like), they are a gaggle of spineless weenies merely trying to protect their pitiful careers. All you need is a little preparation and a few facts and you've swatted them like the flies they are.
After all, aren't they the same bunch who approved countless harmful drugs they deemed "safe". Let's see, Vioxx, Seldane, to name just two off the top of my head. Millions of innocents collected on lawsuits from these two boondoggles. At least the ones who survived did.
After all, aren't they the same bunch who approved countless harmful drugs they deemed "safe". Let's see, Vioxx, Seldane, to name just two off the top of my head. Millions of innocents collected on lawsuits from these two boondoggles. At least the ones who survived did.
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I don't think this is true. The FDA is a regulatory body. They are not responsible for testing products. They are responsible for verifying claims and "ensuring safety." Manufacturers and producers are responsible for testing.
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Hmmm... Actually, we don't need the FDA at all. It would be very easy for this industry to self-regulate and it probably should. The FDA can do no good in reality. A private company could very easily "test" liquids and certify their purity, strength, and safety.
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