Blu to Mechanical Mod in about a week...

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Gurana

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... Well, I guess it's been two weeks by now? It's hard to keep up.

This is my first post, so I'll start off with a little intro about how I discovered vaping and my subsequent spending spree. I think I out paced my knowledge, so some of my gear will have to wait until I look a little more. I'm planning on looking into it this weekend, but will also talk about it here if someone wants to help out a lazy newbie.

Anyways, I tend to be verbose and I type fast, so what follows is likely to be a wall of text. I don't expect anybody to read it and it's not really related to the real reason I'm posting. Skip the middle section to get to the relevant part.

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Started smoking when I was about 14. Quit for 2.5 solid and glorious years when I was 20, but picked it back up in my last year of college. I'm 31 now. Though I've often considered myself and "off and on" smoker, if I'm honest with myself that's not really true. In the last 9 years or so I've made several attempts. Something like 6 or 9 months was my longest in that time from using chantix, which I wouldn't reccomend in retrospect. In college I was at times a 2 pack a day smoker, but not smoking in the house because of kids, and the inconvenience of taking smoke breaks at work has stabilized me to about 15 cigs a day. I wasn't the type of smoker that really enjoyed the habit which is probably why I would make attempts once or twice a year... the average break time probably being around about 2 months. This summer I think I made it 4 months until I fell off the wagon, which was 2 months ago now.

On reddit I responded to a post that was somehow related to smoking... or maybe it was a self post? Anyways, somebody asked if I ever considered electronic cigarettes. I responded no, because I wasn't really interested in changing the nature of my nicotine habit.

Jumping back a few years, 2007 perhaps, I was smoking outside my office building and one of the regulars to the spot had asked me if I had, "ever seen one of these things?" What he showed me was what I've learned is generally called a cigalike. "No, I've never seen that... what is it?" "It's a fake cigarette. No tobacco and it uses batteries. I'm trying to quit." I wasn't interested in following up this guys seemingly flawed logic or the weird tech behind it. That was my very first exposure to the existence of "fake cigarettes" and the fact that it was, according to him, seemed dodgy. He was smoking analogs again within a week.

Since then, that's more or less how I've seen electronic cigarettes. Or, did, rather.

Every once in a while I would see cigalikes brought out at bars or concerts. Because cigs are banned in my area, my thought on the subject was always that I wouldn't want the attention whether it was tacitly accepted or not. Just as easy to continue my habit of going outside to smoke... that's where the best conversations happened anyways (sometimes.)

About 6 months ago all the gas station convenience stores in my area started prominently displaying electronic cigarettes. Mostly blu. A couple of weeks ago I thought, what the hell? Bought a starter pack. To me, that was the extent of how far the tech had come since I first saw one. Disposeable pre-filled carts with a little charging pack to go with two batteries. Awesome.

I wasn't dissapointed. I wasn't expecting much... first thing I noticed was that it wasn't like smoking at all really. In fact, I felt kind of silly holding this thing that didn't have a lit end like a cig. I wondered if there was anybody out there that had done something to improve on these little things... I didn't have any specific improvements in mind, not really knowing anything about what I was doing.... but what I found blew me away.

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So I found out that, yes, things have improved a little over the years. I spent a few days poking around the internet trying to get a feel for what a good starter kit would be. On a whim I looked up if there was a local shop and there is. To this point all my stuff has come from them.

To recap, this has all happened within the last week or so. Been back to that shop every other day, pretty much.

  • Evod starter kit (two ego style batteries and clearomizer tanks, 5 atomizer heads, 1 charger.
  • ismoka BCC mega (not sure how I feel about that acquisition.)
  • itaste VV v.3
  • protank II mini
  • (smoktech?) cartomizers

And this morning I picked up


  • (smoktech?) Magneto
  • 18650 battery
  • 18500 battery
  • (trustfire?) charger
  • protank II

So, that's what I have. My next purchase is going to be an RSST. I was going to pick up an AGA-TD (?), but the shop guy said they were going to be getting in the RSSTs on Monday. I guess I'll be seeing them again on Monday then.

Anyways, the batteries are on charge now. Here's what I'm looking into moving forward.

  • What do I need to know about running an unregulated mod. What's the output of these batteries? I know that whatever it is it will drop off as the battery gets used up... but is the voltage written on the battery (3.7V) the number I should look at when deciding which of the included heads to use? Anything else I need to know not to blow my hand/face off (or hand, and Face/Off :blush:)
  • Depending on how I like the unregulated mod, I may get a Kick to go with it. Guy at the shop said the Magneto battery tube wasn't large enough to fit the 18650+kick, hence why I got the smaller battery as well. Does anybody make a slightly larger tube to account for the larger batter plus a kick?
  • Except for the cartos, all my delivery systems (if I'm using that terminology right) are bottom coil, wick/atomizer based. I've been carrying around the extras in an old PSP case I had lying around. the Evods and mini pro II seem pretty stable, but I've been getting juice infiltration on the ismoka bcc mega... Haven't really had an issue with getting juice in my mouth, but when I remove the drip tip it looks like there's juice at the connection.
  • Pretty much the vv v.3 is going to be my around the town/at work go-to. At this time, the magneto is destined for home use only.... I might change my mind on this once I learn a little bit more about different systems. I would need something that's pretty stable and not (as) prone to leaking when being jostled around in a bag or pocket. Like I said, the clearomizers I have seem to be doing the trick for the most part... but I'm going to give them a little bit more of a work out before I make that call.... if you've got suggestions for "active" vs "at-home" set-ups, I'd love to hear 'em.

Anyhow, break is over. Thanks for reading and thanks in advance for any advice.
 

ncvapfan

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you are a smoker on and off or not but hopefully with all the $$$ you dropped so far you were a smoker now lol.
I cant speak to the mech mod questions with experience yet so i'll let an expert answer that one.
I use BCC exclusively the tank/ carto systems can come apart so I don't chance it. I do have one for home and I still dump juice here and there.
The liquid under the drip tip is likely condensate not juice. If its hitting well and not gurgling/ dripping on the battery its not a leak IMO
My carry vape is usually an Ego Mega V-2 (great battery life) or a tesla VV/VW mod with g50 and protank IIs. The protank I s I have gone through all developed unfixable leaks around the glass and metal. In my mind they are obsolete. The g50 I am very happy with. 5 mils juice lasts most people all day.

I tried one of the first cigalikes back when. It was about the size of a large cigar and didn't hit worth a ... I was amazed at all the advances and went crazy at the store and online but hey I was spending >$100 a month on crap sticks so im still a couple $ ahead haha.
The funny thing was I liked smoking, didn't want to quit but I also like big boy toys and the new stuff fascinated me. That was 3 months ago and I cant even take the smell of a cig now.
Good luck!:)
 

djbishop

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Congratulations on beginning the conversion!

My story starts like yours, 7-11 instead of a gas station. It leads us to today, 2years 11 months since I've smoked (I did have a cigar the night I got married, but smoking crack would've been justified that night).

To try to answer some of your questions:
1 and 2- In an unregulated mod, you want protected batteries. I hear that IMR are safe enough when not stacked. I'm about to try a mechanical telescoping mod with a kick.

3. i dind't enjoy the vivi novas/bcc's or any of the devices with a replaceable head. I use a smoktech 2ohm dual coil cartomizer in a U-DCT for a long time now. I really fell in love with dual coils! I started on atomizers, but dripping is just a PITA, for me anyways. Next purchase might be to try my hand at rebuildables (That's why I was on ecf to start with).

4. I would give the Innokin vv/vw v3 a try. The price is right for testing the vv/vw waters. I have to say this, I might as well as someone is bound to say it at some point. I like really long battery life or ease of swapping in fresh batteries. There is always the option of buying "enough" of these sticks to keep you going, but I find it cheaper to have a small batch of 18350's on hand. I kayak fish, go on multi-day fishing trips, camp, the point is I have a lifestyle that makes electricity very limited, when I'm doing the outdoorsey stuff, and I need to have enough power to use the device for a while without being able to charge batts. Which led me from 7-11, to a PS Prodigy V3, to a vmax, to 4 bad zmaxes and a failing SID. I can give you one guess where my next and last $150 is going towards a "blemished" mod.

I only say this as some people like having a bunch of different mods to use. I'm not looking to build a collection of mods, my wife can tell you the last thing I need is a new hobby, I'm looking for one or two mods I can use. One of the two mods has to withstand the rigors of me and the wild outdoors, so it can be a cheapo, I have plenty for that now. The other needs to be the equivalent of my old 95 Honda Accord, tried and true, cheap and easy to fix, backed by a good manufacturer making superior products.

In the end, whatever keeps you from smoking ever again is the perfect device!

Good luck and take care!
 

Gurana

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I hate to tell a person what to do, but I would advise against smoking crack.:p

The batteries I got are IMR... I have a vague sense of what that means, but they were the only ones sold at the shop I go to.

I think I'll try a dual coil carto at some point.... Haven't really looked at them, or any carto specifically. I bought a few 1.7 ohm to use on my blus... they worked surprisingly well, and they work with all my batteries. They're Smok branded like the magneto (I'm guessing this is the same as smoktech?) The carto/tank setup seems like it would have to be relegated to home use only if I ever give it a shot... which I likely will at some point. My guess is that really cartos are the most stable, or can be at least. Any suggestions for something that would look good on a vv v.3 or magneto? I'm hoping ot get one that's got some sort of formed mouth piece instead of the straight cyllindar like the ones I have.
 

djbishop

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I was a black&mild smoker, so switching to dual coil gave me the clouds and throat hit I needed to replace those cigars.

As far as what looks good on each, that's such a personal choice. I only use a UDCT anymore, more concerned with functionality and saving a buck than I am looks, so happy hunting with that.

I use a cherryvapes ming vase tip, purple swirl. It makes it look more like some type of "medicinal herb" delivery device, but I like the shape so I went with it. I hear you can send them in with your receipt for a replacement if they break. I had metal drip tips, but that's not the best material for my teeth when driving the Accord (sport suspension) or the Jeep JKU around, so I went plastic a while ago.

BTW, good to know about the magneto not fitting a kicked 18650. Definitely getting a telescoping mech.
 
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Gurana

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FWIW, this is a telescoping mechanical... but the tube size won't accommodate the 650+kick. The evolv website seems to suggest that it was meant to be used with the 18500, but I have seen some reviews of mods that will take the 650+kick. Just not this one. If I could get a slightly larger tube, my assumption is that I could make it fit... unless of course there's some reason not to.
 

Gurana

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FYI, I put in the 18500 because it charged first. It works. Decent, but definitely not as good as my vv has been performing.

The protank II came with two heads marked 2.5 ohm. The back of the box's diagram shows a 2.4 and a 1.8... guess it's just for demo purposes. I think the 1.8 would probably end up working better. I put it on one of my evod batteries, which I believe are 3.7V... so a little math.

Firstly, the evod batter was a similar experience. Probably identical, or close to it. Lends a little creedence to the assertion that these batteries, when unregulated and fresh off a charge, put out 3.7V. I also put it on the vv and it was instantly more to my liking. vv tells me that the resistance was reading at 2.6 ohm... so, at 8.5W (initial setting) that would be about 4.7V. I kicked it up to 9.5W and it was still good, but starting to push the limits for me, but that setting works out to about 5V.

So, I am happy with the magneto thusfar... it works. Will probably be happier once I can get it regulated and set for something like 8 or 8.5 W.

I'll probably wait a little bit before picking one up. In the meantime I'll see if I can track down some 1.8 heads for the protank II... If I understand this correctly, that will make the P something like 7.5 W. I tried the vv at that setting and it is acceptible... of course, that's not taking into account voltage drop off as the battery dies... Haven't experienced that yet, but my impression is that it basically lowers the entire time the battery discharges, as opposed to a sharp drop off as the battery is nearly empty. In either case, a kick would be a great answer the the problem it seems.
 

djbishop

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FWIW, this is a telescoping mechanical... but the tube size won't accommodate the 650+kick. The evolv website seems to suggest that it was meant to be used with the 18500, but I have seen some reviews of mods that will take the 650+kick. Just not this one. If I could get a slightly larger tube, my assumption is that I could make it fit... unless of course there's some reason not to.


Yeah, I follow you now! You're right, all the telescopes I'm looking at max out at the 18650 length. Well damn, I'll still try it with my 18350's kicked. Thanks for the heads up!
 

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If I were you I'd get some 28g kanthal and throw a micro-coil with 9-10 wraps into that Protank II with some cotton for a wick. After you're done that check your ohms (which should be around 1-1.2Ω) and throw it onto your Magneto!
I've got a 9 wrap micro-coil using 28g kanthal wire in my Protank II that is right at 1.0Ω and it is on top of my Smok Natural. Excellent vape!
 

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Hi and welcome to ECF! In regards to your questions about batteries in unregulated mods...

There are members who are better than I am at explaining/describing all the battery types, but what I took from all the reading I did about getting batteries for a mechanical mods:
- use IMR batteries - these are "safer chemistry" type. AW and efest are popular brands used.
- don't discharge them all the way. Around 3.6V or so, you will probably start to notice that they are starting to wear down, and this is about when I usually recharge them.
- when fully charged, they will come off the charger at around 4.2V, but I have read that to extend battery life, taking them off the charger around 4.16V is optimal
- I have recently seen some posts about a panasonic 'hybrid' battery, but I haven't used that, and don't have any knowledge about it
 

Gurana

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If I were you I'd get some 28g kanthal and throw a micro-coil with 9-10 wraps into that Protank II with some cotton for a wick. After you're done that check your ohms (which should be around 1-1.2Ω) and throw it onto your Magneto!
I've got a 9 wrap micro-coil using 28g kanthal wire in my Protank II that is right at 1.0Ω and it is on top of my Smok Natural. Excellent vape!

That sounds good... probably going to hold off on rebuilding an atomizer that's not necessarily designed for it though. Seen it done on youtube, but I'm not sure I'm there yet. Plan on picking up an rsst and playing around with that.

On a side note, just realized that those cartos I picked up were rated at 1.7+/-.2 (incidentially, I believe the vv measured it at 1.7, which was a first for me.) I just plugged it in and it vapes much better. Would look nicer with a tank (not that i'd bring one of those out of the house necessarily, unless they're not as drip prone as I'm imagining) but I gotta say the stainless carto doesn't look terrible with the magneto. Also, I'm using the protank II included drip tip... will probably use this on the trip home. Couple top off drops before I leave for hte train... couple when I get back in the car... kind of afraid of burning these things out.
 

Gurana

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Hi and welcome to ECF! In regards to your questions about batteries in unregulated mods...

There are members who are better than I am at explaining/describing all the battery types, but what I took from all the reading I did about getting batteries for a mechanical mods:
- use IMR batteries - these are "safer chemistry" type. AW and efest are popular brands used.
- don't discharge them all the way. Around 3.6V or so, you will probably start to notice that they are starting to wear down, and this is about when I usually recharge them.
- when fully charged, they will come off the charger at around 4.2V, but I have read that to extend battery life, taking them off the charger around 4.16V is optimal
- I have recently seen some posts about a panasonic 'hybrid' battery, but I haven't used that, and don't have any knowledge about it

... how am I supposed to know the voltage of the battery while it's charging? Do some chargers tell you? The battery I got is IMR... efest brand I believe. It's been forever since I researched anythign about batteries. Will I have to worry about charging it too much? e.g, leaving it on the charger too long or charging them before they're discharged enough? What's the general life span of these batteries?
 

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My charger doesn't tell me the volts while it's charging - I don't know if there are other chargers that do. So I charge my batteries until they are fully charged :) It is suggested that you remove them from the charger as soon as they are charged, and not let them continue to sit in the charger with the charger on (though I need to start setting a timer, I think, so I don't forget to keep checking on them). I think the life span is good, but I've only been using my IMR batteries for about a month. I don't think it hurts them to charge them before they're discharged enough, I think that is probably better than discharging them too low.

I got an inexpensive little digital multi-meter (because I didn't have any mods which display that info), and when the vapor production seems to be dropping, I take my battery out and see where its at (until I get more experienced with knowing when I should change them). I also check the voltage after I finish charging them. I also remember seeing that it was suggested that you let a battery 'rest' in-between being charged and being used. I have 4 batteries, and I rotate through them. It might be overkill, but it makes me feel more at ease. :)
 

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Welcome to the world of mods and rebuildables. There is a lifetime of knowledge in this forum and a big learning curve ahead along with lots of practice and experimenting. Check out the rebuildable sub forum and here is an excellent start on the batteries. I highly recommend reading it before using the mod. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/4848-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected.html and
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/129569-rechargeable-batteries.html and http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9007-warning-rechargeable-batteries-apvs.html. Get on YouTube and check out the 1000's of videos and ask a lot of questions everyone is extremely helpful.
 
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