bobas and gorilla juice from another vendor?

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Sedateme

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It's not a question of "my opinion", that's just a way of saying I'm mistaken, or that no truth exists. To tell you the truth, I don't follow your presentation one iota. So-called speculation is one of the mainstays of free-market capitalism. Aren't the most basic business guidelines "buy low and sell high", and the corollary "buy in plenty, sell in shortage"? There are laws and rules against fraud, misrepresentation, collusion-price fixing, trademark violations, etc. I can see you say you consider Smoktek's actions (without AVE's explicit agreement, let's leave that out) shady and "screwing customers", and I see that you are presenting examples of actions you consider shady, but I don't see any argument or logic as to what ethical or legal rules you consider broken, and how. Can you clarify?

Nothing needs to be clarified. I gave no argument that, in my hypothetical situation, anything was done illegally. My consideration that such a practice is shady and underhanded is just an opinion. You may or may not share that opinion. You agreeing or disagreeing does not make one of us right or wrong... These are all moot points anyways, Porphy has cleared up the situation my original post brought up.
 

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Based on your logic I guess we should thank Wall St and the Big Banks for their actions in 2008 leading to the Great Recession,which we are still in. After all it was just " good old capitalism " at work.

That's the system we live under. I never said I agreed with it. In fact I don't. So if someone says that a case that breaks none of the rules is shady, meaning they find it unethical, I presume their reasoning reaches outside the box, to a value system not centered on profit. And THAT's interesting, so I truly want to hear what that reasoning and system of reference is.
 
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I guess my kind of moral high ground for thinking this is a little screwed up would be that these are the AV "signature" Flavors. I don't think there's anyone in the world except Ben and co that could recreate them, and at no point has AV said "oh hey, I know I'm out of stock, but smoktek.com has some that I've been cooking up for resellers.". That means this was created under the guise of being a customer and then resold to turn a profit from doing absolutely no work. It's simply a shady business practice, and with the occasional issues we see with "shadiness" in vendors, the last thing I want to see in this industry right now is more deception.

Foot clearly in mouth yet not man enough to come back and admit you were wrong and spoke in haste?
 

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That's the system we live under. I never said I agreed with it. In fact I don't. So if someone says that a case that breaks none of the rules is shady, meaning they find it unethical, I presume their reasoning reaches outside the box, to a value system not centered on profit. And THAT's interesting, so I truly want to hear what that reasoning and system of reference is.

Agree. My point had nothing to do with the case here, just that what may be acceptable and legal may NOT be right. Any economic system that has NO ethical boundaries eventually leads to problems. Aka, socialism and capitalism.
 

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It's not a question of "my opinion", that's just a way of saying I'm mistaken, or that no truth exists. To tell you the truth, I don't follow your presentation one iota. So-called speculation is one of the mainstays of free-market capitalism. Aren't the most basic business guidelines "buy low and sell high", and the corollary "buy in plenty, sell in shortage"? There are laws and rules against fraud, misrepresentation, collusion-price fixing, trademark violations, etc. I can see you say you consider Smoktek's actions (without AVE's explicit agreement, let's leave that out) shady and "screwing customers", and I see that you are presenting examples of actions you consider shady, but I don't see any argument or logic as to what ethical or legal rules you consider broken, and how. Can you clarify?
Fernand, I agree completely. There is a vender selling Halo juice at a higher price than Halo, is that wrong? Well in a word, No! You pay Your money, You make Your choice. Capitalism can only work properly in a free market.
 

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Agree. My point had nothing to do with the case here, just that what may be acceptable and legal may NOT be right. Any economic system that has NO ethical boundaries eventually leads to problems. Aka, socialism and capitalism.
Socialism and Capitalism are complete opposites. Please read Milton Friedmans work on free market capitalism.
 

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Socialism and Capitalism are complete opposites. Please read Milton Friedmans work on free market capitalism.

Yes they are, and both systems were and are corrupted by greed and lack of ethics other than profit is king. 95% of all Div. 1 colleges in this country require ethics courses as part of undergrad degrees in Business. I wonder why that is, check it out.
 

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I haven't seen a lack of ethics as the main problem in socialist countries like Sweden and Denmark. Not in the least. Very proper, fair and ethical. As to the main problem, boredom is more like it.

:) Sweden is constitutional monarchy with a parliamentary democracy last time I checked out the window :)

I hope SmokTek will get restocked soon. I would realy like to try it.
 

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I haven't seen a lack of ethics as the main problem in socialist countries like Sweden and Denmark. Not in the least. Very proper, fair and ethical. As to the main problem, boredom is more like it.

Anybody remember Communist Russia, how did their socialism work out? Greed was alive and well when all tumbled.
 

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As for all this rubbish about a company selling products illegally etc..
I don't see any ejuices copywrited or 'owned' by anyone. (Because this can't be done on a legal scale)

If a recipe leaks then it leaks and nothing can be done about it.
If a user knows a DIY recipe for it then he can make it himself or share it with anyone he likes.
 
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