Boge LR cartos problems - a whole packet(4) glowed red

[bmrdave]

The juice I used was Witches Brew at 16mg strength. It is a caramel colored liquid that is a cross between a caramel/coffee flavor.

So maybe I went too high at 4.2V?

Maybe the caramel? I know that I vape most juices around a calculate 7.5 watts, but my Mt.Baker Juicy Fruit I have to bring down to about 5.5 or it tastes harsh. Not burnt, just harsh. I've read that's the case with a lot of the "fruity" flavors, don't really recall about the chocolates or caramels, though I vape a Mint Chocolate Ice Cream up close to 8 with no problems. That's why like you I always start a new liquid on the low side and work the voltage up.

 

[Aikhme]

Maybe the caramel? I know that I vape most juices around a calculate 7.5 watts, but my Mt.Baker Juicy Fruit I have to bring down to about 5.5 or it tastes harsh. Not burnt, just harsh. I've read that's the case with a lot of the "fruity" flavors, don't really recall about the chocolates or caramels, though I vape a Mint Chocolate Ice Cream up close to 8 with no problems. That's why like you I always start a new liquid on the low side and work the voltage up.

The previous working carto I had which I was trying to replace with an LR was a Boge SR XL. It was working just fine with the same "Witches Brew" juice.

I was running it on the eVic at between 4 and 4.2V which equates to 6.3 Watts. The resistance was 2.8ohms.

Maybe that is the problem. I should have run the LR at about 6.3 Watts???

Would my assumption be correct?

if I was running an SR Boge 2.8ohm at 4.2V = 6.3W

then should I also run the LR Boge 2.2ohm at the same 6.3W = 3.7V

Maybe I cooked them myself???

 

[bmrdave]

Close enough for gub'mint work. Maybe 6.3 is the sweet spot for that juice.

Edited to add: I realize this doesn't address the visible glow, but my dripping atty's glow red if I hold them on long enough. Just usually the vapor obscures it.

 

[Aikhme]

Close enough for gub'mint work. Maybe 6.3 is the sweet spot for that juice.

maybe.

But is my theory more or less correct?

If you run Juice A at 4.2V on a 2.8ohm cart = 6.3W

and then change to a 2.2ohm carto, would the sweet spot still be 6.3W equating to 3.7V?

In other words at 4.2V I probably dried the carto out and burned it?

 

[bmrdave]

I don't know if you burned the carto itself. If there was plenty of juice, that shouldn't have burnt the carto, 10 or 12 watts maybe, but I doubt 8 watts would. But you may have "burnt" the juice. If that happened it could easily taint the rest of the juice in the tank. I know it happens on clearomizers. You burn some juice or a head, change out the head, but the remaining juice still tastes burnt. At least that was my experience.

 

[Aikhme]

I don't know if you burned the carto itself. If there was plenty of juice, that shouldn't have burnt the carto, 10 or 12 watts maybe, but I doubt 8 watts would. But you may have "burnt" the juice. If that happened it could easily taint the rest of the juice in the tank. I know it happens on clearomizers. You burn some juice or a head, change out the head, but the remaining juice still tastes burnt. At least that was my experience.

I just tried my last burnt carto at 3.5V. I still got the burnt carto taste. Awful!

 

[bmrdave]

Yeah, you could try taking the carto apart and rinsing out the filler, but I always figured it wasn't worth the trouble. But then I wasn't down to my last one either. Maybe pull out the filler, put masking tape over the holes and drip until you get more?

 

[crxess]

Not to be ignorant, but I don't think you are actually working out the problem. it seems you are doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Do you have an atomizer or a Clearomizer you can do some testing with?
Are twisting the Carto down to tight?
I'm concerned you may be creating a short condition and super heating the coils, but the eVic is not seeing this do to no return overload.

 

[Waterman]

I gave up on the LR and only buy the SR carts. It just seems they are more forgiving and taste better longer. It almost seems they get too hot too quick for the juice to feed.

 

[Aikhme]

Not to be ignorant, but I don't think you are actually working out the problem. it seems you are doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

Do you have an atomizer or a Clearomizer you can do some testing with?
Are twisting the Carto down to tight?
I'm concerned you may be creating a short condition and super heating the coils, but the eVic is not seeing this do to no return overload.

I have a Vivi nova Clearomizer.

I am always careful to never over tighten my tanks onto the eVic or ProVari too tight.

I just attached a 2.8 ohm SR Boge and that is vaping away just fine so far at 4.2V.

What do you suggest?

 

[Aikhme]

I gave up on the LR and only buy the SR carts. It just seems they are more forgiving and taste better longer. It almost seems they get too hot too quick for the juice to feed.

yeh I might do the same.

But I got the LRs because I thought they would be the ideal match for the eVic. I suppose I can use the SRs on the eVic. That is what I am doing right now.

 

[Ryedan]

I use both 2 & 3 ohm standard length Boge carts in 3 ml tanks. Today I put in a new 3 ohm (just checked it - reads right on) in the one tank I'm currently using. Running DIY 50/50 vg/pg menthol plus sweetener - a really clean 'burning' juice, but also noticeably thicker than the typical 30/70 mixes. Normally running at 5 V, so 8 1/3 watts. I just turned it up to 6 V, 12 watts, and the vape was noticeably warm with impressive clouds of vapor and a lot of flavor. I chain vaped it six times and the drip tip was getting warm. I then hit it twice for about 5 seconds each time and looked through the holes in a dark room and did not see a glow. After that I had to let it cool down a bit

I punch my own holes. I've found that I get better performance from these carts if I tailor hole sizes to the juice and/or the cart, starting just a bit small and making them bigger if needed.

So, FWIW, here's my take on your issue Aikhme. It think from what you wrote you are not getting burnt hits right away, which means to me that you are filling correctly. If this is true and you are getting burnt hits after a number of drags, the coil is becoming dry as you vape. Assuming good carts, I would make the holes bigger or thin the juice to solve this. I adjust holes size immediately after the first burnt hit, so I don't ruin the cart.

The fact that you see a glow through the cart holes makes me think there is something wrong with the carts. I've pulled out the filler material a few times after finishing with a cart and I don't think you should be able to see the coil glowing - I didn't in mine either. There is just too much filler in there. I really suspect you may have a batch of bad carts.

 

[Ryedan]

Forgot to add ... I do notice handling differences between the 2 & 3 ohm cartos, but I don't think they are significant with regards to your issue. I also think the carto length difference doesn't matter.

Best of luck with it!

 

[Aikhme]

I use both 2 & 3 ohm standard length Boge carts in 3 ml tanks. Today I put in a new 3 ohm (just checked it - reads right on) in the one tank I'm currently using. Running DIY 50/50 vg/pg menthol plus sweetener - a really clean 'burning' juice, but also noticeably thicker than the typical 30/70 mixes. Normally running at 5 V, so 8 1/3 watts. I just turned it up to 6 V, 12 watts, and the vape was noticeably warm with impressive clouds of vapor and a lot of flavor. I chain vaped it six times and the drip tip was getting warm. I then hit it twice for about 5 seconds each time and looked through the holes in a dark room and did not see a glow. After that I had to let it cool down a bit

I punch my own holes. I've found that I get better performance from these carts if I tailor hole sizes to the juice and/or the cart, starting just a bit small and making them bigger if needed.

So, FWIW, here's my take on your issue Aikhme. It think from what you wrote you are not getting burnt hits right away, which means to me that you are filling correctly. If this is true and you are getting burnt hits after a number of drags, the coil is becoming dry as you vape. Assuming good carts, I would make the holes bigger or thin the juice to solve this. I adjust holes size immediately after the first burnt hit, so I don't ruin the cart.

The fact that you see a glow through the cart holes makes me think there is something wrong with the carts. I've pulled out the filler material a few times after finishing with a cart and I don't think you should be able to see the coil glowing - I didn't in mine either. There is just too much filler in there. I really suspect you may have a batch of bad carts.

My holes were pre punched and quite big enough.

I am increasingly starting to believe that it was a bad batch as well because of the glow through the holes. This glow was red. Maybe inadequate filler is a possibility.

I am going to cut one open and pull the filler out.

 

[Gstavrev]

I`m vaping on a Boge LR XL with a pre-punched 2mm hole right now. I`m using a selfmade 50/50 juice (shade + black fire from FA) at 8w on a Vamo and the carto is working great. I`ve been using this same carto for 6 days now.
My point is that you must have received a bad batch, cus theres no way that you can see the coils in a carto with filling + the fact that you are not runing them at a very high voltage

 

[Aikhme]

I`m vaping on a Boge LR XL with a pre-punched 2mm hole right now. I`m using a selfmade 50/50 juice (shade + black fire from FA) at 8w on a Vamo and the carto is working great. I`ve been using this same carto for 6 days now.
My point is that you must have received a bad batch, cus theres no way that you can see the coils in a carto with filling + the fact that you are not runing them at a very high voltage

Thanks Gstavrev.

Yes maybe that is so. It seems to be the consensus.

Who would have thought of the odds of getting 4 duds out of 4? Really unusual.

 

[thxone]

Question... Are you using a metal drip tip? Also, do you have a silicon cap in the top of the carto where the wire could possibly touch a metal drip tip? Just curious.

 

[Aikhme]

Question... Are you using a metal drip tip? Also, do you have a silicon cap in the top of the carto where the wire could possibly touch a metal drip tip? Just curious.

No I am not using a metal dip trip. I was using just the stock standard black plastic tip that comes with the Liquinator SS Tank.

I have only today changed the eVic's dip trip to a matching metal drip tip but it is on an SR Boge Carto 3.0ohm.