Breathlessness

[WattWick]

Not saying this is the solution to life, the universe and everything... or that it will even work out / be to your liking...

... but you could consider decreasing inhalation deep into the lungs - if that's what you do. A change of technique. More puffing like a cigar, perhaps with shallow throat inhales for throat hit. You don't have to use the lungs to absorb the nic.

Just a thought. Not saying anyone is 'doing it wrong'.

 

[AndriaD]

Not saying this is the solution to life, the universe and everything... or that it will even work out / be to your liking...

... but you could consider decreasing inhalation deep into the lungs - if that's what you do. A change of technique. More puffing like a cigar, perhaps with shallow throat inhales for throat hit. You don't have to use the lungs to absorb the nic.

Just a thought. Not saying anyone is 'doing it wrong'.

Not bad advice at all. I never did inhale very deeply when i smoked, due to asthma, and since I started vaping, it's gotten even more shallow, but when my asthma is being a particular PITA, I barely take it into my throat; I get the action I require, the nicotine I prefer, and don't bother my lungs too much when they're really tetchy. For those that care about "clouds" (I really could care less about that aspect), I seem to make better clouds when i don't inhale very much.

Andria

 

[David Wolf]

Not saying this is the solution to life, the universe and everything... or that it will even work out / be to your liking...

... but you could consider decreasing inhalation deep into the lungs - if that's what you do. A change of technique. More puffing like a cigar, perhaps with shallow throat inhales for throat hit. You don't have to use the lungs to absorb the nic.

Just a thought. Not saying anyone is 'doing it wrong'.

That's really a very good idea, and often I do vape that way. I do Mouth to lung hits, and sometimes I do take it deeper, but more often than not shallower.

 

[Grimwald]

I'll just throw another vote toward high vg causing a heavy lung feeling. I have found that I need to stay around 30%vg. I was a 40 year 3 pad smoker. I know I've found some improvement from my 3 1/2 years of vaping, but can't reverse all of the damage.

 

[NY Bimmers]

It could also be the juice you are vaping. I vape 70vg/30pg to max vg and never had any issues. I vape alot, almost constantly while driving, sub ohm, deep lung hits. I usually buy premium juice from the stores, $15-$25 per 30ml stuff. I recently tried ohm's vapes in search of a cheaper solution cause i burn through juice. The ohm's juices will give me the same exact issues that you describe at the same 70/30 ratio. Go back to premium, all fine again. It's very weird and i think it's either their vg/pg ratio is off (i've also noticed harder throat hit and i cough a bit compared to the premium stuff) or whatever flavoring they are using isn't agreeing with me.


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[AndriaD]

It could also be the juice you are vaping. I vape 70vg/30pg to max vg and never had any issues. I vape alot, almost constantly while driving, sub ohm, deep lung hits. I usually buy premium juice from the stores, $15-$25 per 30ml stuff. I recently tried ohm's vapes in search of a cheaper solution cause i burn through juice. The ohm's juices will give me the same exact issues that you describe at the same 70/30 ratio. Go back to premium, all fine again. It's very weird and i think it's either their vg/pg ratio is off (i've also noticed harder throat hit and i cough a bit compared to the premium stuff) or whatever flavoring they are using isn't agreeing with me.


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It may be because traditionally, 70/30 means 70% PG, 30% VG... what you normally vape would be 30/70.

But some people can vape VG all day and half the night, no problems, but PG gives 'em fits; other people get breathless, mucusy, tight, heavy chests, from VG, in varying degrees, but can handle PG ok, in varying degrees. No one has the same tolerances to any part of this.

Andria

 

[NY Bimmers]

It may be because traditionally, 70/30 means 70% PG, 30% VG... what you normally vape would be 30/70.

But some people can vape VG all day and half the night, no problems, but PG gives 'em fits; other people get breathless, mucusy, tight, heavy chests, from VG, in varying degrees, but can handle PG ok, in varying degrees. No one has the same tolerances to any part of this.

Andria

Not sure what juices you buy but everything i have purchased always lists vg first. And i have purchased many juices from many different manufacturers, most are always vg heavy. Only time you can get pg heavy or even 50/50 is when you order from a store online that makes the juice in house.

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[AndriaD]

That's just one reason I stopped buying ejuice; nobody but MFS makes 85PG/15VG, and I don't really like theirs anymore, so I make my own. Better than any I've ever bought.

Andria

 

[bacc.vap]

I can't do the high%VG juices either, have the same tightness of chest/hard to breathe problems after a while. If your going to try out high%PG liquids, I'd suggest giving it a little time, took me about a week and a half to get back to normal.
Not saying the VG is your problem for sure, just a little info on my experience.

 

[Nermal]

It may be because traditionally, 70/30 means 70% PG, 30% VG... what you normally vape would be 30/70.
Andria

That is the convention, but so few users and even vendors are aware of it that you can no longer make an assumption.

 

[Nermal]

Last time I was at the doctor a couple of months ago he said my lungs sounded clear and took me off of one of my medications.

I've been wondering about the clear lungs thing, but I think you answered it in an earlier post where you said lung capacity had increased by 5%. I was unsure whether clear also indicated greater capacity and/or greater O2 adsorption. If you've anything to add on that subject, I'm all ears.

 

[jan19230]

Some interesting replies. I don't mix my own juice but buy it from the Socialites supplier and it is 45%PG/55%VG for the 6mg/ml one I smoke. If I went to 50/50 it would be for the 12mg/ml which is a higher dose of nicotine which I am trying to avoid. My cigarettes were 8mg nicotine. I have tried different flavours but the one which doesn't give me quite as much breathlessness is the one that is for B&H smokers (which is what I was), but I find the blended (rolling tobacco equivalent) does give me a heavy chest, so I have stopped using that one. Can anyone recommend where I can buy supplies for mixing my own from the UK.

BTW, I am female. Smoked for 43 years, varying amounts. Maximum ever smoked a day was 25, but the last 3-4 years 15 a day. My last carbon dioxide puff test was a 3 which is that of a non smoker and my blood oxygen levels 99% and that was 3 weeks ago.

 

[AndriaD]

That is the convention, but so few users and even vendors are aware of it that you can no longer make an assumption.

Yes, so I'm seeing -- tell someone that that is how it's traditionally done, and the response is basically "nuh uh" -- just because it's not assumed to be that way anymore, by all the VG groupies. Everything I bought in 2014, back when I was still buying ejuice, was PG/VG.

I think the increasing use of VG is why we're seeing an increased incidence of this type of post -- breathlessness, tightness, heaviness, can't breathe. When I started, and had these problems, it was actually somewhat rare, everyone thought I was weird -- it's constant now, with the heavy VG usage in commercial juice.

Andria

 

[WattWick]

Can anyone recommend where I can buy supplies for mixing my own from the UK.

Check this thread
RECOMMENDED UK VENDORS OF DIY INGREDIENTS AND GEAR

 

[Hotwire]

I'm no doctor but if I vape dark sweet liquids like vanilla even at 50/50 I feel the same feeling in my chest I used to get after smoking.

I also cough up phlegm after sub ohm tanking heavy VG liquids, even clear ones.

I find 80PG/20PG or 30VG/ 70PG CLEAR liquids to solve this problem.

But we are all different. Anything over 6mg of nic - no matter the ratio I feel buzzed out of my head, and I do not like the feeling....

You have to experiment with VG/PG ratio and nic content to find your sweet spot, even the way it is delivered - ego type / nautilus type / sub ohm type - can make a difference....

I am another vaper that believes from my experience that lower VG is better on the chest.

Also cheaper, so that's good for me too.

I'll go 50/50 or even 70/30 for a tank or so but for daily vaping prefer around 30VG/70PG

 

[coolerat]

Yes, so I'm seeing -- tell someone that that is how it's traditionally done, and the response is basically "nuh uh" -- just because it's not assumed to be that way anymore, by all the VG groupies. Everything I bought in 2014, back when I was still buying ejuice, was PG/VG.

I think the increasing use of VG is why we're seeing an increased incidence of this type of post -- breathlessness, tightness, heaviness, can't breathe. When I started, and had these problems, it was actually somewhat rare, everyone thought I was weird -- it's constant now, with the heavy VG usage in commercial juice.

Andria

Somethings matter.

2 years ago a liter contained 1000 Ml. Today it better still contain 1000Ml.

Somethings mattered at one point but no longer do.

Few years ago "regular" gas contained lead. Today "regular" gas doesn't. In fact the old "regular" would burn out your cat today.

Somethings don't matter at all.

We didn't used to have power for VG juice so PG was common so it came first. Now we have choices and VG won so its put first.

 

[DC2]

Not sure what juices you buy but everything i have purchased always lists vg first. And i have purchased many juices from many different manufacturers, most are always vg heavy. Only time you can get pg heavy or even 50/50 is when you order from a store online that makes the juice in house.

Andria is talking about the way things used to be before CloudsBro took over.
And yes, it used to be PG/VG ratio, not VG/PG ratio.

And yes, I'm bitter.
I hate VG, but it's getting really hard to find high PG liquids anymore.

No more than 30% VG for me or I get all the issues mentioned in this thread.

 

[DC2]

I got hold of some 70 VG/30 PG Smoky Moutain 555 from Mountain Oak Vapor.
It is really good, but I use it sparingly because if I vape much of it I am really congested the next morning.

Well, the other day I decided I wanted to vape it all day.
And I will NEVER do that again.

The next day I had a lot of trouble catching my breath at times during the day.
And it scared me.

 

[AndriaD]

Andria is talking about the way things used to be before CloudsBro took over.
And yes, it used to be PG/VG ratio, not VG/PG ratio.

And yes, I'm bitter.
I hate VG, but it's getting really hard to find high PG liquids anymore.

No more than 30% VG for me or I get all the issues mentioned in this thread.

I got hold of some 70 VG/30 PG Smoky Moutain 555 from Mountain Oak Vapor.
It is really good, but I use it sparingly because if I vape much of it I am really congested the next morning.

Well, the other day I decided I wanted to vape it all day.
And I will NEVER do that again.

The next day I had a lot of trouble catching my breath at times during the day.
And it scared me.

Yeah, I mean... "VG won"??? Won what, a popularity contest? From people who prefer visible clouds to flavor? There's a headscratcher for ya. It's nasty gluey stuff, and cigarettes didn't cause anything like that level of non-visibility, there's really no reason it's needed in vaping.

I'd rather TASTE my vape, than SEE it. I also enjoy breathing as well as possible.

There is no reason to change the PG/VG convention to anything else; it's just as easy to write "30/70" as "70/30". Consider it alphabetical if nothing else -- P comes before V.

Andria

 

[NY Bimmers]

This is all personal preference and what works for the individual. Everyone has their own tastes as to what keeps them vaping and away from analogs. For me, the vapor production is what satisfies me, it keeps me away from cigs.

I can understand the frustration of not being able to find pg heavy juices easily.

At the end of the day, we're all on the same team, quitting analogs.


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