BSD's vertical hollow core Micro Coil build for ARO, Evod, and Protank heads.

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This vertical build with cotton had been going great for me! It's been over a week since I've started using it and still going strong with no diminishing flavor and throat hit. Thanks BSD and everyone who posted pictures of their coils so I know how it should look like!

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Well, guess I found my first mistake when making one of these... Don't use pomegranate... The cotton taste was more the juice than the cotton. I seems to accentuate the taste.

Just decided to sit down and give it another try and used Big Red.. WOW!!!!

Ok here is what I did.

Started with twisted 32g A1.
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Heated before and after twisting.

Wrapped around 18G needle and goes all the way to the very top of the cup.

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Tip... keep needle or drill bit or whatever you used for wrapping in the coil while packing...

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Pre soak
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I think the coil is so long it is actually grounding out on the air tube.

Now the first couple of pulls where intense... Thinking of those YouTube vids of guys trying to eat a teaspoon of cinnamon. But I think that was from being pre saturated. Subsequent use has been a bit dry. I took the bottom off and flipped the gasket and put it back together and first couple of pulls where super intense again but then mellowed out a lot and still seems to be wicking slowly. Even after sitting for 15 min.

I think it could be too much juice in the tank. 95% full. Going to dump a little back into the bottle and see if that make a difference. Otherwise I may need to loosen up the cotton a bit. Otherwise with the coil going all the way from bottom to top it may not be allowing enough juice through to the inner portion of the coil.

EDIT: Ok, Pretty sure it is vapor locking... If i pull the bottom off and put it back on it is super saturated and gurgley for about 3 pulls and the cinnamon about blows the back of the head off then goes back to a bit dry. I will try and run it as is for the first tank. I just hope that as it get less juice in it that it doesn't start flooding.
 
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Found my issue, wasn't juice feed, it was heat. I was set at 4V thinking that's what I run a 2ohm carto at. Upped the voltage to 4.6 and was better, upped to 4.8 even better. Not sure how high I want to go? Tongue is going numb from the cinnamon.

Funny story about cinnamon ejuice and me, I bought some from smokelessimage and it was awesome but somehow after half the bottle of 30ml I started getting allergic to it. Every time my lips would get swollen a little from it, in the beginning I didn't know it was an allergic reaction to it So I kept using the Ejuice because it was so awesome and intense. Then my lips and tongue got swollen like a hot dog! It was scary...I thought it was cause my t3s clearo was getting old and dirty but nope

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Bsd have you tried trapping the top neg wire on top of the wick? Grounding to air tube. May be easier..

Really can't think of a good way to do that in these cups. Could slot the cup such that the stem seats the leg when assembled, but that gets kind of tricky.

I initially thought I'd need to use NR wire for the negative leg, and there is plenty of room to use crimping beads to do so. But with that leg buried in saturated filler, it doesn't get very hot at all. As far as the grommet, look30 posted a great solution for that little bugger. Just snip off the end that faces against the coil. This recesses the grommet a bit from the cup, and does an outstanding job of preventing a singed grommet.
 

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Bsd have you tried trapping the top neg wire on top of the wick? Grounding to air tube. May be easier..
I tried that in one of the builds I made last week. Unfortunately, the coil exhibited some odd behavior in three different attempts, even with the negative leg acting as a tension spring against the air tube. After carefully removing the air tube each time, the coil was a bit cockeyed... Each time. Okay, maybe not just a bit, it was about 3/64ths out of vertical alignment in two places, and a full 1/16th off when I used the negative leg as a tension spring. That could be attributed to my relative inexperience with this kind of build, but when I modded it back to the negative leg captive in the gasket (but aligned opposite the positive leg), everything was fine. Then again, other's mileage may vary. :laugh:

Also, I got pics my latest 'intact hemp' pack done (pics incoming in an hour or so, kinda busy in RL), but with some very, very slight changes to what I posted earlier in the thread. Instead of completely untwisting after placement, I left a very slight twist (perhaps 3/4 - 1 twist per inch) while laying the twine. Works even better, wicking improved dramatically in relation to both the 'completely straight' and the 'untouched' intact twine builds I've done. I let the primed atomizer head sit for perhaps fifteen minutes, and the full flavor of the liquid was shining through within five full puffs. I am quite happy with it, as you can imagine! I used my ProTank v1 and the same juice, just for direct comparison purposes; and the differences are night and day, as far as vape quality, throat hit and flavor go.

I also got my ProTank 2 in today (and extra heads! :evil: )... Much better than the original PT, and while the draw gets opened up quite a bit in this build as compared to stock, it's still a touch tighter than the PT v1, which only improved the juice flow. I built a total of three coils today, the one I tried in my PT (and have since moved to the PT2), one for my black licorice e-liquid and one for a new cinnamon bun e-liquid.

I have my spare heads primed and in small, named zip-lock bags in the fridge to make my life a bit easier (this way I don't have to rinse and dry the heads out for a different juice, just the tank and base). Granted, after a time I'll have to remove the wick, clean, dry burn and rewick, but... :: shrugs :: I personally think that this is yet another advantage to this build...

Anyway, as I said, pics incoming after a bit. Keep on vaping, everyone! :vapor:

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As promised, pics of my hemp wick in a mini-tutorial! This was done on the last of my three heads today, so I've kinda-sorta got it down to a science... Or at least that's what I'm trying to convince myself! :?: :unsure: :laugh:

  1. Okay, to start out with, as you can see, I've modified the negative leg slightly so it has a slight bow in it from the top to the bottom. The reason for this will be shown in the Step 4. The coil is made of 28 ga Kanthal A1, wrapped around a 1/16th inch drill bit. It was ~14.5 wraps before tightening, torching and squishing and came out to ~1.9Ω.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick01.jpg

  2. Ok, this is a comparison of the Kanger ProTank 2 base with the head installed next to the length of hemp twine. It is (I know I've mentioned it before, but it always bears repeating... I think?) 6 strand, all natural, unbleached hemp that I boiled twice. It may seem like overkill, but this not only gets rid of any pesticides used or chemicals picked up during the manufacturing process, but makes the hemp a bit softer and much easier to work with. The length of this particular piece is a little shy of 3" (about 2 7/8"), but I prefer to actually have about 3 1/4" just so I have some wiggle room at the end of the pack.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick02.jpg

  3. I unroll the first about 3/16" - 1/4" like this, which makes it much easier to stuff under the negative leg.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick03.jpg

  4. First off, I tend to wrap my wicks counterclockwise. This is just easier for me, but, as always, your mileage may vary. Secondly, I always attempt to place my coiling die/drill bit into the coil from underneath so the coil both has support and keeps centered and vertical while the wick is wrapped around it. And finally, to start out the wrap, I stuff the end of the twine under the negative leg, and took this pic when the twine was wrapped to just past the 3/4 mark (so it didn't fall out while I took the pic...), which in this case is one of the wick channels. It is much easier to stuff the end of the wick with the negative leg bowed out slightly. I make sure that the hemp is all the way down at the bottom of the atomizer head, but not too tight, or it'll restrict e-liquid flow. Take special note of the slight gap left above the wick ends inside of the negative leg; this will be taken care of in Step 7.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick04.jpg

  5. And here's the wick wrapped most of the way around, almost back to the negative leg. As you can see in this and the preceding pic, there is a very slight twist left in the twine proper. This was an experiment I did today that I can say worked absolutely beautifully, despite being used with a thicker liquid (I'm uncertain what the PG/VG ratio is, but I'm guessing about 40/60, possibly 30/70 PG/VG based on viscosity).
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick05.jpg

  6. This is the wick in pretty much the same position, but completely unwrapped for the sole purpose of stuffing on the outside of the negative leg. The unwrapped section is roughly 5/8" long, the reason for that being the gymnastics my Very Small and Thin Poking and Prodding Tool has to do in the next step.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick06.jpg

  7. Here's the hemp being stuffed on the outside of the negative leg. As you can see, I'm actually using some of the excess untwisted strands (which I left on the clockwise side of the wrap) to pack inside of the negative leg, thus filling the gap left after Step 1. You can also see just how tight the tolerance is on the build; that drill bit is only 1/32nd of an inch in size.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick07.jpg

  8. And here's the first exterior wick loop. Not too big, and kept above the level of the threading for the tank. After this is done on the other side, there should be enough twine left to wrap one more layer of twine over the wick loops sticking outside of the atomizer head's walls.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick08.jpg

  9. And here's the wick loops cut and ready for separation and placement.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick09.jpg

  10. Before getting to the step, a side note: it may seem I left the twine fully twisted in its 'stock' tightness, but this is deceiving. The 'twist' you see is actually just the way the individual strands ended up laying after the final, light pressure packing to hold it in place until priming. On to the step proper, which may seem a bit .... and overdone, but every time I've done it, it's helped immensely; I snip the wicks right at the end of the loop. I then separate out the six strands so I have the three 'inside' strands from each side laying over each other, and the three outer strands sitting spread apart and following the channel between the tank threads and the atomizer head wall. I then slip my 1/32nd drill bit under them, doing so gently so as not to disrupt the crossover I did in the middle of the wick. Once they're sitting on top of the tank threads, I snipped them even with the top of the threads.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick10.jpg

  11. The next step I forgot to take a pic of, but it was 'just' priming the wick. I keep the wrapping die inside of the coil (so as to minimize leaking), and pour a couple drops of e-liquid on top of the wick. Then I let it soak up a bit, followed by gentle vertical prodding from the stuffing tool/1/32nd drill bit. I don't do this hard enough to pack the wick tighter, just enough to get a 'sponge' action going with the wick. I keep up the e-liquid saturation until, literally, there's a small pool of e-liquid sitting on top of the wick, and perhaps a little down in the channel between the tank threads and the atomizer head wall. Once this is done, I replace the air tube, fill my tank and let it sit, in this case 15 minutes. I then take a vape at a slightly lower voltage, to see how much hemp taste is in the vape, and to check the overall vape quality. If the flavor of hemp isn't the predominant flavor, and there's some vapor, I'll then start vaping. If the hempy flavor starts to drop off quickly, and the vapor quality is still good, I'll keep on vaping, 'cause it'll be well on its way to being ready. The longer wait times for the hemp flavor to go away tends to be the sweet and fruity (both combined) flavors, but then, maybe I've lucked out? Dunno, but it works for me! If it doesn't for you, I'm sure you can easily find a method that works.

One thing to keep in mind with this is that I don't pack particularly tight. It's not loose, per se, but I didn't bear down on the wick while packing it, either. Pretty much, what I've found works best for me is that the twine is pressed in just enough so it's slightly higher than the coil when finished with the pack, and doesn't want to 'fly away' or 'drop out easily'. I live in a normally rather dry environment, at over 4000' above sea level.

I hope this helps some of ya out and that it wasn't too boring.

On that note, keep on vaping, everyone!

-Laters...!
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Great work there KGS. Man, those macro shots are going to fool some unsuspecting clearo noob. Objects in pics, are smaller than they appear lol.

I ordered a lifetime supply of that hemp fiber that the wick master BJ over in the Just Hemp Thread has come up with. Shipped out today, so maybe I'll get to aggravate the spousal unit with some hemp boiling this weekend.
 

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Great work there KGS. Man, those macro shots are going to fool some unsuspecting clearo noob. Objects in pics, are smaller than they appear lol.
kgs Superb pics as usual and extremely useful for everyone to follow. I use hemp myself, and so this is a great guide.

Many thanks for your trouble.
As soon as i get some wire I am going to try this. Thanks for the tutorial.
Hey, thanks, guys... And it's not a problem at all! But the primary thanks goes primarily to BSD for the thread here (not to mention the guys that came up with the Dragon and other, similar vertical coil ideas for other atomizers!). I'm not the only one with pics in the thread, after all. ;)

Congratulations on being smoke free, Amiaji, even if it's "just" for eleven days! And, of course, everyone else that's smoke free, for however long it's been! I've been off traditional cigs for just 89 days (Aug. 3 of this year), and don't plan to go back. That said, don't forget to check out the other sets of pics for the earlier aspects of creating a vertical microcoil (mine and others in the thread, such as BSD's thread opener) for more than one view on how things can be done; while my coiling technique seems to be lauded and works for me (and at least a couple others?), other poster's methodologies might work better for you. Basically, keep an open mind, and if something's not workin' out quite right, try a different tack.

As to the macro pics... Yup, they are deceptive! :laugh: I use a pair of cheap +3 reading glasses I bought at Wally-World for my coiling, and sometimes they're barely strong enough! :facepalm: I'm definitely going to order a jeweler's/watchmaker's magnifier this Friday so I can keep my prescription glasses on; the +3s without my prescription glasses on give me the most annoying tension headaches... :blink: :-x :laugh:

I ordered a lifetime supply of that hemp fiber that the wick master BJ over in the Just Hemp Thread has come up with. Shipped out today, so maybe I'll get to aggravate the spousal unit with some hemp boiling this weekend.
Are ya talkin' about the raw, loose, fiberfill-like hemp shown in the thread? I'd love to get my hands on some of that, just to see how it wicks, lol... Keep us posted, BSD, and let us know how it works for ya (maybe with some packing pics? ;) )!

At any rate, keep on vaping, everyone! :vapor:

-Laters...!
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As promised, pics of my hemp wick in a mini-tutorial! This was done on the last of my three heads today, so I've kinda-sorta got it down to a science... Or at least that's what I'm trying to convince myself! :?: :unsure: :laugh:

  1. Okay, to start out with, as you can see, I've modified the negative leg slightly so it has a slight bow in it from the top to the bottom. The reason for this will be shown in the Step 4. The coil is made of 28 ga Kanthal A1, wrapped around a 1/16th inch drill bit. It was ~14.5 wraps before tightening, torching and squishing and came out to ~1.9Ω.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick01.jpg

  2. Ok, this is a comparison of the Kanger ProTank 2 base with the head installed next to the length of hemp twine. It is (I know I've mentioned it before, but it always bears repeating... I think?) 6 strand, all natural, unbleached hemp that I boiled twice. It may seem like overkill, but this not only gets rid of any pesticides used or chemicals picked up during the manufacturing process, but makes the hemp a bit softer and much easier to work with. The length of this particular piece is a little shy of 3" (about 2 7/8"), but I prefer to actually have about 3 1/4" just so I have some wiggle room at the end of the pack.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick02.jpg

  3. I unroll the first about 3/16" - 1/4" like this, which makes it much easier to stuff under the negative leg.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick03.jpg

  4. First off, I tend to wrap my wicks counterclockwise. This is just easier for me, but, as always, your mileage may vary. Secondly, I always attempt to place my coiling die/drill bit into the coil from underneath so the coil both has support and keeps centered and vertical while the wick is wrapped around it. And finally, to start out the wrap, I stuff the end of the twine under the negative leg, and took this pic when the twine was wrapped to just past the 3/4 mark (so it didn't fall out while I took the pic...), which in this case is one of the wick channels. It is much easier to stuff the end of the wick with the negative leg bowed out slightly. I make sure that the hemp is all the way down at the bottom of the atomizer head, but not too tight, or it'll restrict e-liquid flow. Take special note of the slight gap left above the wick ends inside of the negative leg; this will be taken care of in Step 7.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick04.jpg

  5. And here's the wick wrapped most of the way around, almost back to the negative leg. As you can see in this and the preceding pic, there is a very slight twist left in the twine proper. This was an experiment I did today that I can say worked absolutely beautifully, despite being used with a thicker liquid (I'm uncertain what the PG/VG ratio is, but I'm guessing about 40/60, possibly 30/70 PG/VG based on viscosity).
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick05.jpg

  6. This is the wick in pretty much the same position, but completely unwrapped for the sole purpose of stuffing on the outside of the negative leg. The unwrapped section is roughly 5/8" long, the reason for that being the gymnastics my Very Small and Thin Poking and Prodding Tool has to do in the next step.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick06.jpg

  7. Here's the hemp being stuffed on the outside of the negative leg. As you can see, I'm actually using some of the excess untwisted strands (which I left on the clockwise side of the wrap) to pack inside of the negative leg, thus filling the gap left after Step 1. You can also see just how tight the tolerance is on the build; that drill bit is only 1/32nd of an inch in size.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick07.jpg

  8. And here's the first exterior wick loop. Not too big, and kept above the level of the threading for the tank. After this is done on the other side, there should be enough twine left to wrap one more layer of twine over the wick loops sticking outside of the atomizer head's walls.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick08.jpg

  9. And here's the wick loops cut and ready for separation and placement.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick09.jpg

  10. Before getting to the step, a side note: it may seem I left the twine fully twisted in its 'stock' tightness, but this is deceiving. The 'twist' you see is actually just the way the individual strands ended up laying after the final, light pressure packing to hold it in place until priming. On to the step proper, which may seem a bit .... and overdone, but every time I've done it, it's helped immensely; I snip the wicks right at the end of the loop. I then separate out the six strands so I have the three 'inside' strands from each side laying over each other, and the three outer strands sitting spread apart and following the channel between the tank threads and the atomizer head wall. I then slip my 1/32nd drill bit under them, doing so gently so as not to disrupt the crossover I did in the middle of the wick. Once they're sitting on top of the tank threads, I snipped them even with the top of the threads.
    KVertHollowCoilHemWick10.jpg

  11. The next step I forgot to take a pic of, but it was 'just' priming the wick. I keep the wrapping die inside of the coil (so as to minimize leaking), and pour a couple drops of e-liquid on top of the wick. Then I let it soak up a bit, followed by gentle vertical prodding from the stuffing tool/1/32nd drill bit. I don't do this hard enough to pack the wick tighter, just enough to get a 'sponge' action going with the wick. I keep up the e-liquid saturation until, literally, there's a small pool of e-liquid sitting on top of the wick, and perhaps a little down in the channel between the tank threads and the atomizer head wall. Once this is done, I replace the air tube, fill my tank and let it sit, in this case 15 minutes. I then take a vape at a slightly lower voltage, to see how much hemp taste is in the vape, and to check the overall vape quality. If the flavor of hemp isn't the predominant flavor, and there's some vapor, I'll then start vaping. If the hempy flavor starts to drop off quickly, and the vapor quality is still good, I'll keep on vaping, 'cause it'll be well on its way to being ready. The longer wait times for the hemp flavor to go away tends to be the sweet and fruity (both combined) flavors, but then, maybe I've lucked out? Dunno, but it works for me! If it doesn't for you, I'm sure you can easily find a method that works.

One thing to keep in mind with this is that I don't pack particularly tight. It's not loose, per se, but I didn't bear down on the wick while packing it, either. Pretty much, what I've found works best for me is that the twine is pressed in just enough so it's slightly higher than the coil when finished with the pack, and doesn't want to 'fly away' or 'drop out easily'. I live in a normally rather dry environment, at over 4000' above sea level.

I hope this helps some of ya out and that it wasn't too boring.

On that note, keep on vaping, everyone!

-Laters...!
kgs-wy

Nice write-ups. How long will it last? I only ask because I wonder if it is worth the time invested

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In general it will last till your coil gets caked up. Depending on type of wick, type of juice, how hot you run it, and how much you vape a day. I average ~20mls or 4-5 days for me with a cotton core. All you do is pull the wick with needle and tweezers dry burn and rewick. Its worth it for quality of vape you'll get. - your worst enemy is running it dry.
 
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Nice write-ups. How long will it last? I only ask because I wonder if it is worth the time invested

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I have just started spinning these little guys up and it takes me about 5 mins longer to do one of these up than a regular one, I really like this setup and I don't find it much more work at all. I have my first one in an evod that I have been using for 3 days so far, no probs.
 
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